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Re: Restrain | Enchain https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29992.msg409539#msg409539
« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2011, 11:57:31 am »
Comparison with BB:
Same cost
BB can be used to fuel Armagios' HP and make awsome catapult fodders.
BB lasts 6 turns.

Considering that there are few people and decks that uses BB's HP stuff, this card could be OP. If you put in a 9 turns duration or so, it would be quite redundant with BB or could be used to make bugged CC poison stall decks with 6 of them and 6 BBs. So idk...
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Re: Restrain | Enchain https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29992.msg409690#msg409690
« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2011, 05:36:41 pm »
the big difference is BB can stall creatures with high attack values for the designated number of turns- this may only last one or two against those.  BB cannot be removed once it is applied until the number of turns is up (aside from speeding it up with adrenaline), this can be removed by casting damaging spells/abilities on it.

it is an alternative soft CC with a variable duration due to the many potential counters for it.
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Re: Restrain | Enchain https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29992.msg409799#msg409799
« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2011, 08:41:47 pm »
the big difference is BB can stall creatures with high attack values for the designated number of turns- this may only last one or two against those.  BB cannot be removed once it is applied until the number of turns is up (aside from speeding it up with adrenaline), this can be removed by casting damaging spells/abilities on it.

it is an alternative soft CC with a variable duration due to the many potential counters for it.
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Re: Restrain | Enchain https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29992.msg425855#msg425855
« Reply #15 on: November 15, 2011, 06:45:23 pm »
The idea is awesome and the art is good and really fitting!
I only think that the card should explain that the creature will try to free itself and how many HP would the chains have (i feel that Enchain should have more HP, at least to hold a dragon for 2 turns).
What if i cast a reverse time on a chained creature?
What if i freeze them?

How the chain are represented? With counters like poison that shows how many HP the chains have?

It's really interesting, but i'd like to have more info!

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Re: Restrain | Enchain https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29992.msg425896#msg425896
« Reply #16 on: November 15, 2011, 08:53:18 pm »
The idea is awesome and the art is good and really fitting!
I only think that the card should explain that the creature will try to free itself and how many HP would the chains have (i feel that Enchain should have more HP, at least to hold a dragon for 2 turns).
What if i cast a reverse time on a chained creature?
What if i freeze them?

How the chain are represented? With counters like poison that shows how many HP the chains have?

It's really interesting, but i'd like to have more info!

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I think it's just a "10 damage block". Example, i put this on a 6 att creature:
turn 0: chains have 10 HP.
turn 1: chains have 4 HP
turn 2: chains die cuz of the attak.

Notice any other effects are aplied, as: Adrenaline caounts as multiple attaks, so if i have a 1 HP chain on a 3 att creature and i put adrenaline on it, the chains will block the 1st of the 4 attaks.
If the creature is frost, it doesn't attak (chains are not damaged).
A blocked creature by a warden or turtle shield is the same as frost.
etc.

So making a little analysis...
BB blocks for 6 turns, unblockable.
Enchain only blocks for 5 turns a 2 att creature, 4 turns a 3/4 att creature.
As it's soft CC (it can be broken by any damaging spell or skill), make it be a 20/30 damage block. That way, it blocks creatures "more than BB" but they can be broken. Dude, i have just gave you a pros/cons analysis xD

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Re: Restrain | Enchain https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29992.msg425913#msg425913
« Reply #17 on: November 15, 2011, 09:40:43 pm »
you couldnt give the chained creature adrenaline, any targeting of the creature will target the chains instead (and adrenaline on the chains does nothing).  if reverse time is used, it can either do nothing or remove the chains and put them back onto the top of the caster's deck.  freezing the chains could either freeze the creature too (since it is in fact only restricted by the chains), or again do nothing.  i guess thats open to interpretation should this get put into game.
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Re: Restrain | Enchain https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29992.msg426024#msg426024
« Reply #18 on: November 16, 2011, 02:10:47 am »
Please, make it simple: Enchained creatures can be targeted or not? Targeted means by any single spell or skill.
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Re: Restrain | Enchain https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29992.msg426091#msg426091
« Reply #19 on: November 16, 2011, 05:20:26 am »
it is simple, they cannot.  the chains around them can, as i stated.  how some specific spells/abilities/etc affect the chains, and potentially the creature in turn, are where the specific details come in and honestly considering this is just the popularity contest portion of the card idea, it isnt important to figure every little detail out at this point and zanz will do as he pleases should it be put into the game, but considering i am batting 0.000 on card ideas, the details may never be a concern.
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Re: Restrain | Enchain https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29992.msg429173#msg429173
« Reply #20 on: November 22, 2011, 01:03:17 pm »
Congratulation for the promotion on Forge!  ;)

 

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