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Re: Berserker | Elite Berserker https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34237.msg432035#msg432035
« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2011, 10:39:28 pm »
A super-brittle 13|1 creature for 4 :earth, 2 :fire and 2 turns? Hardly gamebreaking, in my opinion. Suggestions?
9|5 for 5 :fire + 2 :earth + 1 card + 2 turns
11|5 for 5 :fire + 2 :earth + 1 card + 2 turns + upgrade

vs

11|1 for 4 :earth + 2 :fire + 1 card + 2 turns
13|1 for 4 :earth + 2 :fire + 1 card + 2 turns + upgrade

hmm
+2|-4 for -1 casting cost. I would have valued +2|-4 at +1 casting cost (or -1 casting cost +1 activation cost).

Remember we are still ignoring Heavy Armor and Quint.
This is not accurate, however.

5|1 for 5 :fire + 2 :earth + 1 card
7|3 for 5 :fire + 2 :earth + 1 card + 1 turns
9|5 for 5 :fire + 2 :earth + 1 card + 2 turns
(12 attack total while reaching 2 turns).

7|1 for 5 :fire + 2 :earth + 1 card + upgrade
9|3 for 5 :fire + 2 :earth + 1 card + 1 turns + upgrade
11|5 for 5 :fire + 2 :earth + 1 card + 2 turns + upgrade
(16 attack total while reaching 2 turns).

vs

1|11 for 4 :earth + 2 :fire + 1 card
6|6 for 4 :earth + 2 :fire + 1 card + 1 turns
11|1 for 4 :earth + 2 :fire + 1 card + 2 turns
(7 attack total while reaching 2 turns).

1|13 for 4 :earth + 2 :fire + 1 card + upgrade
7|7 for 4 :earth + 2 :fire + 1 card + 2 turns + upgrade
13|1 for 4 :earth + 2 :fire + 1 card + 2 turns + upgrade
(8 attack total while reaching 2 turns).

And remember that Lava Golem can grow indefinitely; Berserker needs HP boosts to do that.

The only other unused card art of his that I can see is the iceberg one.
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,12243.0.html

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Hmm, I thought it might have been for a card idea.

I'm not entirely sure. Someone told me that particular image was made for Art Class. In any case, getting vrt's permission will be a hassle, especially for a card idea that may or may not go anywhere. Does anyone have alternate art, just to be safe?
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Re: Berserker | Elite Berserker https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34237.msg432065#msg432065
« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2011, 11:57:14 pm »
Thanks for the correction. Though phrasing it in damage lost (6|6 vs 15|18) is usually more helpful.
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Re: Berserker | Elite Berserker https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34237.msg432072#msg432072
« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2011, 12:19:38 am »
I find this more potent than red nymph (damage-wise). I think this would definitely be used in a rush deck, probably replacing the common shrieker or graboid due to better damage potential. And Archangel's heal, as if I recall correctly Archangel is also common in rushes. Anyway, I like it.
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Re: Berserker | Elite Berserker https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34237.msg432270#msg432270
« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2011, 11:12:58 am »
The only other unused card art of his that I can see is the iceberg one.
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,12243.0.html

And I hate to be the one who says it, but are you sure you don't need vrt's permission?
Hmm, I thought it might have been for a card idea.

I'm not entirely sure. Someone told me that particular image was made for Art Class. In any case, getting vrt's permission will be a hassle, especially for a card idea that may or may not go anywhere. Does anyone have alternate art, just to be safe?
Unless you have a permission from vrt, or he has said somewhere that this art can be used by anyone, you unfortunately need to replace that art. vrt usually picks and chooses which card ideas he makes art to, and using it for some other idea is technically the same as taking any random art from the web without a permission. vrt has copyrights for that art, and just because he posts it on the forums, does not automatically mean we can use it for card ideas.


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Re: Berserker | Elite Berserker https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34237.msg432276#msg432276
« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2011, 11:36:30 am »
I whipped up some temp art.

Any more thoughts on the actual idea?
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Re: Berserker | Elite Berserker https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34237.msg432293#msg432293
« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2011, 01:48:09 pm »
Well, I'm not a huge fan because it's a close to being a remake of Fire Nymph.





I don't see the point in adding an almost identical card to the game. I also think that :earth is the wrong choice for element because theme-wise, "rage" is something that just fits so much better for :fire creature. Lastly, :fire is known for its high attack/low HP creatures, whereas :earth usually has it the other way around, which further suggests that the element choice was wrong.

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Re: Berserker | Elite Berserker https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34237.msg432296#msg432296
« Reply #18 on: November 29, 2011, 01:53:25 pm »
The two cards are almost nothing alike.

Seriously, who uses Red Nymph as an attacker? Especially such an expensive one. It's much better as powerful CC. Berserker cannot be used as CC.

On the element note, Berserker's base stats have very high HP and very low ATK, hence Earth. Its ability trades defense for offense, hence the ability cost is Fire.
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Re: Berserker | Elite Berserker https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34237.msg432301#msg432301
« Reply #19 on: November 29, 2011, 02:15:15 pm »
The two cards are almost nothing alike.
Eh.. they both use the same exact effect: Rage Potion. Only difference is that Nymph uses it on anyone while this card uses it on itself. I'm not going to start debating on whether or not the abilities are similar because I think everyone can take a look and decide for themselves.

We have Rage Potion. We have Red Nymph. I personally don't see the reason to add the same +5/-5 effect for the 3rd time. But maybe others disagree, I don't know.


Seriously, who uses Red Nymph as an attacker? Especially such an expensive one. It's much better as powerful CC. Berserker cannot be used as CC.
Whether or not it is used is irrelevant. If people are not using it, it's a balancing problem. Making a new card that uses the same mechanics, when we have a 1000 other unique mechanics we could use, is not the correct fix.


On the element note, Berserker's base stats have very high HP and very low ATK, hence Earth. Its ability trades defense for offense, hence the ability cost is Fire.
Yes, that is true but since it's a built-in mechanic, the creature can be seen as a high attack/low HP rush creature. I think it makes more sense to force earth players to use Rage Potion instead of taking that ability and just adding it to an :earth card.


Ability cost bothers me a bit too. I've always liked it when Red Nymph ability costs 3 :fire because that's the cost of Rage Potion. It makes sense. But you have the same ability cost only 1 :fire , which is kind of weird. If you wanted to keep that ability, you should consider changing the name to something less aggressive (like "Anger") and make it +3/-3 or +4/-4 . This way smaller cost makes more sense and it differentiates itself a bit from the :fire cards. It still wouldn't get my vote because it's not unique enough, but it could be a step in the right direction.

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Re: Berserker | Elite Berserker https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34237.msg432303#msg432303
« Reply #20 on: November 29, 2011, 02:18:54 pm »
There's nothing wrong with finding new ways to use existing mechanics; I do it all the time. If you don't like it, that's fine; it's merely a difference in our opinions, and those cards will probably never get your vote.

It costs that much because with that cost it is, in my opinion, balanced. If you increase the cost or nerf the effect it becomes underpowered.
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Re: Berserker | Elite Berserker https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34237.msg450435#msg450435
« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2012, 05:25:08 am »
what if you Basilisk Blood it?

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Re: Berserker | Elite Berserker https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34237.msg450441#msg450441
« Reply #22 on: January 19, 2012, 05:32:38 am »
what if you Basilisk Blood it?
It is delayed for 6 turns. After those 6 turns it can use its Rage ability +4|+3 times
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Re: Berserker | Elite Berserker https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34237.msg450992#msg450992
« Reply #23 on: January 21, 2012, 03:37:29 am »
what if you Basilisk Blood it?
It is delayed for 6 turns. After those 6 turns it can use its Rage ability +4|+3 times
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