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Bastet | Sekhmet https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18945.msg241595#msg241595
« on: January 06, 2011, 01:02:00 pm »
NAME:
Bastet
ELEMENT:
Time
COST:
4 :time
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
4|3
TEXT:
Protector: Gains +2/+0 if you have a Pharaoh or Anubis in play.
NAME:
Sekhmet
ELEMENT:
Time
COST:
4 :time
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
5|5
TEXT:
Protector: Gains +2/+0 if you have a Pharaoh or Anubis in play.
ART:
Photo of product on Kaboodle.com: Mask of Bast , Mask of Sekhmet
IDEA:
Tiko

-- Thanks goes to Xinef for helping me out.
NOTES:
Ability and theme based on ancient egyptian religion.

Passive.
Abilty does not stack with each Pharaoh or Anubis.
SERIES:
None
« Last Edit: June 14, 2012, 05:18:48 pm by Tiko »
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Re: Bastet | Sekmeht https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18945.msg241618#msg241618
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2011, 01:58:44 pm »
Let´s say i put three Sekmehts on the field, then i put a pharaoh or anubis, do those three Sekmehts gain the bonus?
also lets say i put an Anubis on the field and i play one of these afterwards, do they still gain the bonus?
i´ll say that this is fairly balanced and it encourages even more use of Anubis and possible  :aether :time duos, but i recommend raising the cost of the upgraded card to 5 :time since it does become pretty powerful after the bonus: raising to 5 cost discourages fractalling the creature. other than that nice idea. ;)

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Re: Bastet | Sekmeht https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18945.msg241623#msg241623
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2011, 02:16:54 pm »
Bastet's (and later Sekmeht's, though she was more of a war godess) role was a protector and defender of pharaohs, even after death and, by this, was often mentioned together with Anubis by her side, who was the god of afterlife. Idea is, that if there's any of the two played (on your side) they gain the bonus from it - regardless of the sequence they've been played.

Was thinking about the cost much, though, but having a look at the 9 :time of Pharaohs and the 8 :time of the Anubis, it would be quite some 'time' to maintain all the quanta needed to play them out, especially with fractal. And compared to the other elements, most of them have stronger or same attack creatures for a lower cost.
Plus you'll be needing an extra amount of :time for the scarabs if Pharaoh, and an extra :aether to use the Immortality of the Anubis.

other than that nice idea. ;)
Thank you very much!
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Re: Bastet | Sekmeht https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18945.msg241632#msg241632
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2011, 02:31:23 pm »

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Re: Bastet | Sekmeht https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18945.msg241637#msg241637
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2011, 02:38:19 pm »
Bastet's (and later Sekmeht's) role was a protector and defender of pharaohs, even after death and, by this, was often mentioned together with Anubis by her side, who was the god of afterlife. Idea is, that if there's any of the two played (on your side) they gain the bonus from it - regardless of the sequence they've been played.

Was thinking about the cost much, though, but having a look at the 9 :time of Pharaohs and the 8 :time of the Anubis, it would be quite some 'time' to maintain all the quanta needed to play them out, especially with fractal. And compared to the other elements, most of them have stronger or same attack creatures for a lower cost.
Plus you'll be needing an extra amount of :time for the scarabs if Pharaoh, and an extra :aether to use the Immortality of the Anubis.

other than that nice idea. ;)
Thank you very much!
but im assuming all you need is just one Anubis or Pharaoh for the creatures bonus to be activated, a soon as one of them are played, all you have to worry about is a sekmeht that costs 4 to fractal it, i still recommend raising it´s cost to 5 :time
to prevent such a spamming, remember you have electrum hourglasses to get more pillars faster and sundials to (although you need :light) to give you more time and get cards at a faster rate.

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Re: Bastet | Sekmeht https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18945.msg241647#msg241647
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2011, 03:12:23 pm »
I think it's obvious, but just to check, it would only ever get +2/+0 max? as in, not +4 if you had a Pharaoh and Anubis in play? If it can go to +4 then I think perhaps they should both cost 5 quanta.
I think the upped is ok, although if strength is an issue, perhaps make upped +4/+5?
just food for thought  :)

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Re: Bastet | Sekmeht https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18945.msg241654#msg241654
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2011, 03:30:54 pm »
@Flayne:
Yes, you should only need one of the two out, that would give them the morale 'to defend something'. For the hourglass, you'd need another 4 :time and +1 each turn to fasten your draws - and probably that would delay the whole combo enough to get you minced by the time everything has been set up. There are better solutions for fractal in my opinion for the same amount of resource (still easier to fractal i.e: mummies, recluses, frogs, or even vamps and steel golems), but this should be also considered in balance of power, of course.

Maybe I should include a poll then(?)

@rohlfo
They should not gain the bonus from each Anubis or/and Pharaoh played, as it means if you get to kill/rewind/mutate/whatever all the pharaohs for example, they lose the +attack accordingly. Their life should remain low I think, I didn't want to create an unstoppable army, especially if you choose the Anubis, and start to quint them.

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Wow, kitties! Nice, thank you! Prrr:3

Edit -- Poll added, please take it seriously :]
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Re: Bastet | Sekmeht https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18945.msg241713#msg241713
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2011, 05:04:33 pm »
Fractaling a 4-cost creature is not easy. 2 is easy, 3 is ok, but 4 is something that is hard to pull off. You need to stall a lot for it to work, while also including enough towers, fractals, Sekmehts and Pharaohs/Anubises to draw them all in time. Fractal scarab is a lot easier combo, requiring only a few gravity towers/a mark to use their ability.

So.. don't be afraid of fractal in this case. 4 :time as a cost is fine.

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Re: Bastet | Sekmeht https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18945.msg241899#msg241899
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2011, 09:27:46 pm »
Agreed with Shantu, personally.

..But it seems some would like to see some froglike frenzy too >:]
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Re: Bastet | Sekmeht https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18945.msg241964#msg241964
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2011, 10:37:19 pm »
I think the cost is right, might be even underpowered so you can make it 3 :time, but then considering fractal 4 should be better.

but i really like the idea, its good 'nd original, fills in the empty middle attacker spot for time, fit's the theme and its a kitty!!  :o

Ps. I suppose that if the enemy has a pharaoh/ anubis on the field you get the bonus as well?



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Re: Bastet | Sekmeht https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18945.msg241984#msg241984
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2011, 11:03:43 pm »
I think the cost is right, might be even underpowered so you can make it 3 :time, but then considering fractal 4 should be better.

but i really like the idea, its good 'nd original, fills in the empty middle attacker spot for time, fit's the theme and its a kitty!!  :o

Ps. I suppose that if the enemy has a pharaoh/ anubis on the field you get the bonus as well?
Thank you, BloodAngel!

Now that's a very good question.. Probably it shouldn't (at least, that would seem logical - their role seems kinda weird to defend someone from the opponent army), but as I'm thinking now, I don't know how easily could that be implemented..

Edit - Opinions are welcome about this too
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Re: Bastet | Sekmeht https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18945.msg242411#msg242411
« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2011, 02:46:59 pm »
 
I think the cost is right, might be even underpowered so you can make it 3 :time, but then considering fractal 4 should be better.

but i really like the idea, its good 'nd original, fills in the empty middle attacker spot for time, fit's the theme and its a kitty!!  :o

Ps. I suppose that if the enemy has a pharaoh/ anubis on the field you get the bonus as well?
Thank you, BloodAngel!

Now that's a very good question.. Probably it shouldn't (at least, that would seem logical - their role seems kinda weird to defend someone from the opponent army), but as I'm thinking now, I don't know how easily could that be implemented..

Edit - Opinions are welcome about this too
Yeah i admit im good  :P

Nahh, but I was just curious, because you didn't noted it anywhere, so if it is, then i get credit for you paying 9 quanta to summon a pharaoh, if you know what i mean.

My opinion: I wouldn't mind that, it would just be a nice bonus, like eclipse boosts your  :darkness mutants for example.

 

anything
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