VAULT

[The Oracle]

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[Hyroen]

Vault building time remaining:

Duel phase has started
For my first action as Vault Organizer, I'd like to point out that Team Fire cost a moderate 66 cards and thusly, we will be starting off with a vault of:

434 cards

[Hyroen]

I hate to double post but I believe this merits the notice.

As we are finished our Propaganda page (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,13218.0.html) and SG just needs to work magic on the song, I'd say we have our 12 cards. Therefore, we have an assured:

434 cards + 12 cards
to a grand total of:

446 cards

Now, here comes the hypothetical part.

If we do indeed win the "Best Propaganda Page" vote, then we will be given not just 12 cards but 24, bringing us up to a nice 458 cards and if we come in second place, to 452 cards. So:

First place brings us up to:

458 cardsSecond place brings us up to: 452 cardsThird or a lower place leaves us at: 446 cards[/list]And that's all for now.

[Hyroen]

Legendary 3rd Post -
Temporary Vault Transfer complete.

*hates the fact that he triple posted but meh*

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FINAL

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After discussing it with many of you in chat, here's a 2nd draft:

Proposed filler:
2   purify
4   holy light
4   wings   
6   ragepot
2   deflag
4   dragon
6   fire bolt
2   fire shield   
6   spark
3   aether pillar
11   fire pillar
6   fire pend
2   fire mark

58 total.  This, plus the 390 for our 13 decks, less 2 phoenixes, brings us to 446.

The above decks I am aware are subject to constant change and therefore will be paying careful attention to this post and if I'm falling behind, slap me.

Currently updated up to FINAL.

Deck 1 "Fractal Phoenix for Master" was not changed, no Temp Vault modifications were madeDeck 2 "Dial bolt for Master" was not changed, no Temp Vault modifications were madeDeck 3 "Poisonbolt" was not changed, no Temp Vault modifications were madeDeck 4 "Nova/Grabby" was not changed, no Temp Vault modifications were madeDeck 5 "ImmoPhoenix (1)" was not changed, no Temp Vault modifications were madeDeck 6 "ImmoPhoenix (2)" was not changed, no Temp Vault modifications were madeDeck 7 "Dragons"was changed. Temp Vault modifications are as follows:
9 "Burning Pillar" removed9 "Fire Pendulum" added
Deck 8 "Quinted Fire Spirits" was changed. Temp Vault modifications are as follows:
3 "Aether Pillar" removed3 "Aether Pendulum" added
Deck 9 "Vreely's Immogolems" was not changed, no Temp Vault modifications were madeDeck 10 "Entropy Duo by catalyzeme/acsabi44" was not changed, no Temp Vault modifications were madeDeck 11 "Dragon Powa" was not changed, no Temp Vault modifications were madeDeck 12 "Acsabi44's Splash of Time" was not changed, no Temp Vault modifications were madeDeck 13 "Sudden Killer" is new. Temp Vault modifications are as follows:
1 "Nova" added10 "Burning Pillar" added6 "Fire Bolt" added1 "Farenheit" added1 "Reflective Shield" added 3 "Aether Pillar" added 6 "Dimensional Shield" added 2 "Aether Pendulum" added

Deck 1 "Fractal phoenix for Master" was changed. Temp Vault modifications are as follows:
3 "Aether Pillar" removed3 "Aether Pendulum" added1 "Steal" removed1 "Deflagration" added
Deck 2 "Dial bolt for Master" was not changed, no Temp Vault modifications were madeDeck 3 "Poisonbolt" was not changed, no Temp Vault modifications were madeDeck 4 "Nova/Grabby" was not changed, no Temp Vault modifications were madeDeck 5 "ImmoPhoenix (1)" was not changed, no Temp Vault modifications were madeDeck 6 "ImmoPhoenix (2)" was not changed, no Temp Vault modifications were madeDeck 7 "Dragons" was not changed, no Temp Vault modifications were madeDeck 8 "Quinted Fire Spirits" was not changed, no Temp Vault modifications were madeDeck 9 "Vreely's Immogolems" was not changed, no Temp Vault modifications were madeDeck 10 "Entropy Duo by catalyzeme/acsabi44" was not changed, no Temp Vault modifications were madeDeck 11 "Dragon Powa" was not changed, no Temp Vault modifications were madeDeck 12 "Acsabi44's Splash of Time" was not changed, no Temp Vault modifications were madeDeck 13 "Sudden Killer" was not changed, no Temp Vault modifications were made

Deck 1 "Fractal phoenix for Master" was changed. Temp Vault modifications are as follows:
5 "Burning Pillar" removed1 "Deflagration" added6 "Aether Pillar" added3 "Aether Pendulum" removed1 "Phoenix" added
Deck 2 "Dial bolt for Master" was not changed, no Temp Vault modifications were madeDeck 3 "Poisonbolt" was not changed, no Temp Vault modifications were madeDeck 4 "Nova/Grabby" was not changed, no Temp Vault modifications were madeDeck 5 "ImmoPhoenix (1)" was not changed, no Temp Vault modifications were madeDeck 6 "ImmoPhoenix (2)" was not changed, no Temp Vault modifications were madeDeck 7 "Dragons" was not changed, no Temp Vault modifications were madeDeck 8 "Quinted Fire Spirits" was not changed, no Temp Vault modifications were madeDeck 9 "Vreely's Immogolems" was not changed, no Temp Vault modifications were madeDeck 10 "Entropy Duo by catalyzeme/acsabi44" was not changed, no Temp Vault modifications were madeDeck 11 "Dragon Powa" was not changed, no Temp Vault modifications were madeDeck 12 "Acsabi44's Splash of Time" was not changed, no Temp Vault modifications were madeDeck 13 "Sudden Killer" was not changed, no Temp Vault modifications were made

Top Tier Decks were not changed, no Temp Vault modifications were made56 Blank cards were chosen. Temp Vault modifications are as follows:
2 "Purify" added4 "Holy Light" added4 "Wings" added6 "Rage Potion" added2 "Deflagration" added4 "Crimson Dragon" added6 "Fire Bolt" added2 "Fire Shield" added6 "Spark" added3 "Aether Pillar" added11 "Burning Pillar" added6 "Fire Pendulum" added2 "Mark of Fire" added2 "Phoenix" removed

Top Tier Decks were not changed, no Temp Vault modifications were made1 "Deflagration" removed1 "Fire Pendulum" addedTentative Vault transferred to Official Vault

This is NOT the official vault thread and will be removed once our vault is up and running. I just decided to create another one such that we can edit our vault and then transfer official information to the official vault.

Here is how our vault would look like if we were to use the above 13 decks and extra cards:

REMOVED

PLEASE DO NOT EDIT,
FOR VIEWING PURPOSES ONLY
Vault Rules:

If in green, our Tentative Vault meets vault building requirements.
If in red, our Tentative Vault violates vault building requirements.

- at least 50% of cards have to be from your element
- maximum of 24 per card from your element (restriction doesn't apply to Pillars or Pendulums)
- maximum of 12 per card from other elements (restriction doesn't apply to Pillars or Pendulums)
- no Shards
Notes:

285 out of 446 are Fire cards which is good"Spark" at maximum capacity"Dimensional Shield" at maximum capacity"Fire Bolt" at maximum capacity"Deflagration" at maximum capacity"Immolation" at maximum capacity"Phoenix" at maximum capacity"Photon" at maximum capacityAll Blank cards chosen, but referring back to my second post in this thread,

we may still win up to 12 extra cards.[/list]Once Tentative Vault:

meets all vault building requirements, andhas been approved by both General kevkev60614 and Lieutenant jmdt[/list]it will be transfered to our Official Vault in the original post of the thread.

Meets all Vault building requirements []
kevkev60614 approval []
jmdt approval []

[kev]

Proposed filler:
4   purify
4   holy light
4   wings   
6   ragepot
2   deflag
6   dragon
6   fire bolt
2   fire shield   
6   spark
6   aether pillar
3   aether pend      
3   fire pillar
3   fire pend
2   fire mark

57 total.  This, plus the 390 for our 13 decks, less 1 phoenix, brings us to 446.

The cards above are designed to fill holes if we lose during the first two rounds, keeping our 13 decks in tact.  We'll convert 12 salvaged cards to fire pillars/pendulums each round to help continue to fill holes.

Feedback is appreciated.

[catalyzeme]

RE: filler cards

Everything below the first 12 cards (4 purify, 4 holy light, 4 wings) seem like no-brainers to me (with one exception below). Wings i think is a good call, too, because we could lose an entire half of a deck (and we will, past round 1) and we could plug Wings into it, change mark to air, and have a working stall with pendulums. I think that is a great move.

Purify and holy light both seem too situational for me. I can see how they would have greatly increased utility when you know what color half your opponent's deck will be, but I still think they are too weak. Having near useless cards in your deck because your opponent doesn't poison could be fatal. And for holy light, well, it's a decent card, I just don't see us not having a better option.

At the same time, Rage Potions are great, but none of our decks really rely on them. They are one of the first cards I would have thought to stock up on, but as I look over our decks, I think we can do better.

So I propose:

-4 purify
-4 holy light
-3 rage potion (for a total of 3 filler ragepots)
-1 dragon

+4 chaos seed, which give the entropy deck a little survivability (with the cards we have, a first round loss would be rough. second round loss, it's definitely done.) with a few extra chaos seeds, it could at least survive beyond a loss, and i think at a later point in the war, it will be an even stronger deck. its extremely versatile and i think one of the hardest decks we have to counter. ascabi did a great job on it and i personally wouldnt have even minded seeing a second entropy duo.

worst case scenario, the entropy deck still loses, and we have a whole bunch of chaos seeds. with 3 rainbows + vreely's immodeck, though, chaos seeds have a home where they can still be very powerful. even if the entropy deck does well, 1-2 cost random element filler cards are not things we have extra of, and we could use some.

+4 earthquake
+4 lava golem

we are bound to have a deck completely fall apart. almost any deck we have now, though, could be converted into a fire/earth duo if it lost its current focus. earthquakes will be deadly throughout the war, and extra lava golems would round-out what would end up being a mono-fire with a splash of earth. deflags, fire shields, ragepots, dragons... any fire cards could be worked into it, and with earthquakes, it *always* has a chance. i think including these 8 cards would prop up a lost deck into a usable, unexpected, playable deck.

EDIT: if we get to a stage where we *have* to use all our cards or almost all our cards, 4 purify and 4 holy light are going to be hard to work into a deck. of the two, i am more worried about purify, as holy lights would still have a little bit of value in a rainbow even against a non-death non-darkness opponent.

[Hyroen]

Proposed filler:
4   purify
4   holy light
4   wings   
6   ragepot
2   deflag
6   dragon
6   fire bolt
2   fire shield   
6   spark
6   aether pillar
3   aether pend      
3   fire pillar
3   fire pend
2   fire mark
Feedback is appreciated.

+ 4 Purify would bring us up to

4 "Purify"

+ 4 Holy Light would bring us up to

4 "Holy Light"

+ 4 Wings would bring us up to

4 "Wings"

+ 6 Rage Potion would bring us up to

17 "Rage Potion"

+ 2 Deflagration would bring us up to

24 "Deflagration"

+ 6 Crimson Dragon would bring us up to

22 "Crimson Dragon"

+ 6 Fire Bolt would bring us up to

24 "Fire Bolt"

+ 2 Fire Shield would bring us up to

5 "Fire Shield"

+ 6 Spark would bring us up to

12 "Spark"

+ 6 Aether Pillar would bring us up to

21 "Aether Pillar"

+ 3 Aether Pendulum would bring us up to

15 "Aether Pendulum"

+ 3 Burning Pillar would bring us up to

88 "Burning Pillar"

+ 3 Fire Pendulum would bring us up to

28 "Fire Pendulum"

+ 2 Fire Mark would bring us up to

2 "Mark of Fire"

This does indeed work well with our vault and brings up 3 important points:

"Deflagration" would be at maximum capacity, "Fire Bolt" would be at maximum capacity, and"Spark" would be at maximum capacity

[kev]

Purify and holy light both seem too situational for me. I can see how they would have greatly increased utility when you know what color half your opponent's deck will be, but I still think they are too weak. Having near useless cards in your deck because your opponent doesn't poison could be fatal. And for holy light, well, it's a decent card, I just don't see us not having a better option.

Here’s a couple examples of ways I saw them being used:

Replace 2 pillars and 2 phoenixes in Dragons with Holy Lights against Darkness.  They can obviously be used to take out adrenavamps or whatever, but also to heal dragons if opponent take LS to counter an expected phoenix deck, or to heal us in a pinch.Replace two freezes with purifies in Immophoenix against Death.  If we’re up against poison, they help immensely.  If not, they hurt us a little.

Here’s (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,9777.msg125169#msg125169) some evidence that opportunistic cards are not terrible to have on hand.  But if you all think our decks are better without such replacements, I’ll happily find other filler.  Other’s opinions are appreciated. 

At the same time, Rage Potions are great, but none of our decks really rely on them. They are one of the first cards I would have thought to stock up on, but as I look over our decks, I think we can do better.

I disagree.  Deflag and ragepot are our two best tweak cards if we need to add PC or CC to a deck against a specific opponent.  They’re also good replacement cards if we lose with Novagrabby, and they appear in a couple other decks.

+4 chaos seed, which give the entropy deck a little survivability (with the cards we have, a first round loss would be rough. second round loss, it's definitely done.)

If the entropy duo loses first round, we’ll discard pends and refill them from our vault.  If it loses second round we’ll discard 11 pends and a ragepot and refill them from our vault.  Taking pends and ragepots are both better options than chaos seed cuz they can plug discard holes in a large number of our decks.

+4 earthquake
+4 lava golem

I’ll comment here because jmdt gave the same feedback.  Has anyone else tested EQ golems?  I spent a good amount of time with it and didn’t love the results.  If we’re going to take up precious vault space with a fallback deck rather than opportunist, tweak, or plug cards, we need to make sure we really have faith in it.

I really appreciate the feedback; there’s a lot of good discussion in there.  Vault deadline is less than 24 hours away.  More feedback from everybody, especially on the first point above, is appreciated.

As I think about it more nobody’s going to tweak extra dragons and pillars/pends are better replacement cards.  Why don’t we do -6 dragons, +3 fire pillar, +3 fire pend.  I’m not worried about being short on pillars/pends after Round 1.  But after Round 3…

I also wanted to point out that with the current vault otk is a viable deck option during the first few rounds if fractal phoenix isn’t being used.[/list]

[Acsabi44]

The only cards I cannot see a home for are the 4 Wings. With their quanta cost, they require a serious commitment towards Air, and I don't see the niche they fill that dimshields cannot.

About Holy Light and Purify- I say include them. I checked the war#1 fire section way before the this whole issue came up, and I saw (and agreed) how important they are. Purify may be a bit too narrow, but it can literally mean the difference between a win and loss.

[jmdt]

We can convert any card to a fire pillar at any time.  Packing fire pillars is completely pointless.  If we needto pack extra quanta generators, pack fire pendulums as we can make them into pillars, but not necessicarily the other way around.

The extra 6 dragons essentially give us an extra deck once we start losing primary decks later.  We take those 6 dragons, add some pillars and filler cards, and we essentialy have the backbone of a 14th deck if we need it.  Taking extra Fire attackers could prove most valuable down the road if we salvage a ton of extra cards and can make more decks.

[jmdt]

The only cards I cannot see a home for are the 4 Wings. With their quanta cost, they require a serious commitment towards Air, and I don't see the niche they fill that dimshields cannot.

About Holy Light and Purify- I say include them. I checked the war#1 fire section way before the this whole issue came up, and I saw (and agreed) how important they are. Purify may be a bit too narrow, but it can literally mean the difference between a win and loss.

wings can be played off the mark. 4 wings will essentailly stall the remainder of the game once the first is played.

[kev]

We can convert any card to a fire pillar at any time.

Only 12 per round.

Packing fire pillars is completely pointless.  If we needto pack extra quanta generators, pack fire pendulums as we can make them into pillars, but not necessicarily the other way around.

If you mean we cannot convert cards into pends, you're mistaken.  If you mean that pends serve as pillars in fire-mark decks, you're right.

The extra 6 dragons essentially give us an extra deck once we start losing primary decks later.  We take those 6 dragons, add some pillars and filler cards, and we essentialy have the backbone of a 14th deck if we need it.  Taking extra Fire attackers could prove most valuable down the road if we salvage a ton of extra cards and can make more decks.

As I was posting that nobody would tweak-add a dragon, Acs did so in Deck Ideas.  lol.  And as I noted above the current vault gives us the ability to use otk if we want, which should be tweaked to include 3 dragons.  So I'm fine with your suggestion; we'll keep the six dragons.

To be honest, though, I don't think a vault of 6 sparks and 51 pillars/pends would be tragically bad.  The way I see it, by taking so few pillars/pends we’re putting ourselves at risk if we suffer significant losses in the first couple rounds.  Suppose tragedy befalls us and we go 5-4 in round 1.  Our current vault is effectively 8 pillars, and we salvage and convert 12 after round 1.  We plug 20 of our 24 lost cards with pillars, but we have to eat into 4 ragepots and now we have 0 excess pillars in vault.  If we go 5-4 in round 2 (48 discards) we can only plug one deck’s lost pillars and the other three go under the knife.  Now maybe we get lucky and salvage fire pillars, or we are able to split up one of the three decks and fill holes in the other two.  Nobody knows.

If we had 51 spare pillars in the vault from the get-go plus 24 converted cards we could cover all losses and have all 13 decks intact through Round 2.

The obvious counterargument is that we’re likely to have more wins with excess cards that allow us to tweak in an extra ragepot, four Holy Lights, etc.  But it’s a slippery slope.

Keep talking peeps.  We’re moving somewhere and I don’t know where yet.

wings can be played off the mark. 4 wings will essentailly stall the remainder of the game once the first is played.

Plus we could add a few pends to the deck if we needed to.