Round 8 Strategy

[jmdt]

kevkev60614 - General
ak65ala - General

jmdt - Lieutenant
icecoldbro - General

majofa
xKelevra

Lava Golem
SnoWeb
 
Acsabi44
implosion - Lieutenant

So we fight 2 generals and 1 Lieutenant in 5 matches.

Go

[lava golem]

Quite a lot of ninjas in team fire . Looks like we'll be having a hard time. After this round there will only be 1 undefeated player.

[majofa]

still a work in progress......

kevkev60614
ak65ala

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icecoldbro

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xKelevra

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SnoWeb

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implosion

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[jmdt]

So here's what we know so far:

  has 2 decks left
Denial Rainbow
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,17485.0.html
and
Entropy/dark duo
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,17428.0.html

I fully expect to see the rainbow.  fractix should eat its lunch.

 
light has 2 novagrabbies and RoL/hope left.  obviously xdude uses RoL/hope so we have 1 of 2 novagrabby to fight.
Pegasus novagrabby
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,17433.0.html
Glory novagrabby
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,17445.0.html

Our immophoenix should be > their novagrabby

 
Aether has 56 cards left, but only 1 surviving intact deck
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,17527.0.html

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We know we'll see the bonewall deck somewhere, unless they use it against xdude expecting RoL/Hope.
I fully expect the bonewall deck and a novagrabby or other rush deck.  They will fully expect to see vomit and a rush deck and will plan accordingly.  this matchup could very well be a coinflip between 2-0 and 0-2.

Looks like we have vommit and the entropy duo for here.  I don't like putting the entropy duo here, but we may not have much or a choice.  Against a novagrabby with either pegasi or glory, antimatter would completely fail.  Hopefully entropy brings in goodies to antimatter and discord can wreak havok and we can sneak a win here.  Its a risk, but best we can do.

[brettbstock]

So here's what we know so far:

  has 2 decks left
Denial Rainbow
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,17485.0.html
and
Entropy/dark duo
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,17428.0.html

I fully expect to see the rainbow.  fractix should eat its lunch.

 
light has 2 novagrabbies and RoL/hope left.  obviously xdude uses RoL/hope so we have 1 of 2 novagrabby to fight.
Pegasus novagrabby
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,17433.0.html
Glory novagrabby
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,17445.0.html

Our immophoenix should be > their novagrabby

 
Aether has 56 cards left, but only 1 surviving intact deck
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,17559.0.html

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We know we'll see the bonewall deck somewhere, unless they use it against xdude expecting RoL/Hope.
I fully expect the bonewall deck and a novagrabby or other rush deck.  They will fully expect to see vomit and a rush deck and will plan accordingly.  this matchup could very well be a coinflip between 2-0 and 0-2.

Looks like we have vommit and the entropy duo for here.  I don't like putting the entropy duo here, but we may not have much or a choice.  Against a novagrabby with either pegasi or glory, antimatter would completely fail.  Hopefully entropy brings in goodies to antimatter and discord can wreak havok and we can sneak a win here.  Its a risk, but best we can do.

There's something reassuring about knowing most of the other team's decks, and having the other team have pretty much no idea what we'll use.

[lava golem]

still a work in progress......

kevkev60614
ak65ala

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icecoldbro

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xKelevra

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SnoWeb

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implosion

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The total of phoenixes in those decks are 18, I think we only have 16 according to our vault. I know the decks are still in progress but I thought I would just point that out.

[jmdt]

we can salvage phoenix's from light.

[kev]

I love that so much work has already been done.  I'll use today to test some things and come to conclusions.  I'm trying not to look at the work that's been done thus far because I want to come to my own conclusions and then have the team discuss all our ideas.

[jmdt]

I'll test with you kev

[kev]

Initial thoughts:
kevkev60614 - General vs ak65ala - General
They have two decks remaining.  Pretty much anything we have would embarress their entropy/dark duo, I think.  But the rainbow deck is extremely well made.  I modded it assuming they would assume I'd play fractix and it's competitive with everything we can throw at them.  Fractix still seems to be the best choice.  If they don't mod it, and leave in EQs and devs, fractix is strong.  If they mod it as I did I'll be a coinflip to win.  I'll prolly add a tiny bit of rainbow to it a la jmdt's fractix now that I'm missing dimshields.

jmdt - Lieutenant vs icecoldbro - General
I tested majofa's recommendation and the results were not encouraging.  Too few pends meant perma was slow to get out.  We had damage and poison built up and by the time we got out a phoenix or dragon he PUd it twice.  I assumed upped arsenics and animates; if ICB ups something else we could be in luck.  I'm not opposed to this idea; it just needs development.

Acsabi44 vs implosion - Lieutenant
We tested immop against Light's novagrabby extensively last round and immop consistently came out on top.  Light's other deck is RoL/Hope, which xdude alone has used to date.  I'd like to add our fire shield to immop.  It won't materially change results against novagrabby and could single-handedly win if they get tricky.  A 31-card deck allows us to salvage the shield if the worst should happen and we're against light again next round.

majofa vs xKelevra and Lava Golem vs SnoWeb
Last round they fielded two bonewall decks, figuring we would defend against one and go 1-1.  1-1 is a great outcome for them.  That's why I think they won't use the bonewall deck this round.  If we were to use a vomit and a rush and they use two rushes, we go 1-1.  If they use bonewall, they might go 0-2 and they don't want that.

All of the above is super easy to say but our vault isn't broad enough to make sweeping statements.  I'm going to take a pass at specific decks to use tonight.

[Acsabi44]

my initial thought was that I suicide against Imp and you guys go with fine- tuned decks against our easier opponents and entropy.
We could still do that.

[brettbstock]

my initial thought was that I suicide against Imp and you guys go with fine- tuned decks against our easier opponents and entropy.
We could still do that.

It doesn't look to me that anything in the deck would be a big enough help to suicide for... just looking at a glance.