Round 6-Strategy

[lava golem]

This round will be very important, good thing we have some teams with weak caults to go against, let's hope we see some suicide decks this round . We'll need to focus a lot more on our deckbuilding since we get 2 entropy rounds and 2 death battles.

Our next round matchups:
  catalyzeme
  hrmmm

  jmdt
  home_wreckaz
 
Acsabi44
  Boingo
 
majofa
  Corrum

  Hyroen
  Amilir

  Lava Golem
  Rastafla

  Stinnger
  9270984

  kevkev60614
  Daxx

  brettbstock
  Nyma

[brettbstock]

Wait a sec... did I miss something? I thought we were on round 6... Oh well. It looks like we have 2 entropy matches this round. Me vs. Nyma and Hyroen vs. Amilir. Like I said in the dekbuilding topic, entropy relies a lot on creatures (fallen elf, pandemonium, Chaos Seed, Mutation, etc.) so Bolt decks would be best for these, IMO.

EDIT: Fixed. Thanks, Lava Golem

[lava golem]

Wait a sec... did I miss something? I thought we were on round 6... Oh well. It looks like we have 2 entropy matches this round. Me vs. Nyma and Hyroen vs. Amilir. Like I said in the dekbuilding topic, entropy relies a lot on creatures (fallen elf, pandemonium, Chaos Seed, Mutation, etc.) so Bolt decks would be best for these, IMO.

but they pack discords in almost every deck they use...

[brettbstock]

Wait a sec... did I miss something? I thought we were on round 6... Oh well. It looks like we have 2 entropy matches this round. Me vs. Nyma and Hyroen vs. Amilir. Like I said in the dekbuilding topic, entropy relies a lot on creatures (fallen elf, pandemonium, Chaos Seed, Mutation, etc.) so Bolt decks would be best for these, IMO.

but they pack discords in almost every deck they use...

Hmm... good point... Maybe take out a pillar or two, and toss in a couple of delags?

[Acsabi44]

Last round Entropy predicted our two rushdecks perfectly and totally countered us.
This round we need to really think it through. They have very good rushes and the pandemonium deck amilir played vs kev is an autowin versus our immmodecks.

[Hyroen]

*is scared*

[brettbstock]

*is scared*

*is ready to take  down*

Alright, then, Lava. Whattya think about Quinted Spirits?

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With 2 Deflags, chances are, you'll be able to take out a discord. With Dimsheilds, you can block attacks in case they use a rush. With Lobo, you can take down any cards that just so happen to get a butterfly effect. And with Quntessence, spirits will be protected from any and all effects, except shields, of course. Looking at their current sapped vault, we won't have to worry too much about those, though.

[Hyroen]

Haha, if you can take them down brettbstock, then I have more faith in myself, much more.

Thank you .

Let's all take down the chaos in this War!!!

[Acsabi44]

*is scared*

*is ready to take  down*

Alright, then, Lava. Whattya think about Quinted Spirits?

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With 2 Deflags, chances are, you'll be able to take out a discord. With Dimsheilds, you can block attacks in case they use a rush. With Lobo, you can take down any cards that just so happen to get a butterfly effect. And with Quntessence, spirits will be protected from any and all effects, except shields, of course. Looking at their current sapped vault, we won't have to worry too much about those, though.

You know, this is not a bad idea at all. Ceratinly worth some testing.
My other idea is a stall that is fast and somewhat multi-angle; the PB, that is.
My third idea is a darkness duo.

other than that, I'm having a good time predicting if they'll  use one of their anti-rushes or they expect us to switch to boltdecks.

[kev]

*is scared*

Lol @ Hyroen's sarcasm.  We're 3-2 against Entropy at the moment, and 60% is not our worst winrate among all the elements.  Our losses occurred because we were too predictable.  Acs hit it on the head here:

Last round Entropy predicted our two rushdecks perfectly and totally countered us.
This round we need to really think it through. They have very good rushes and the pandemonium deck amilir played vs kev is an autowin versus our immmodecks.

Incidentally panda was taken to counter both immophoenix and fractix.  Their speedbow counters > our speedbows > their other decks.  But many of our decks would crush their counter decks.  So it boils down to whether they will take speedbow counters or other decks.  And it's important we guess right.

Since you have seen it, we will probably not use it next round. Or will we?

I believe at the time he wrote this Zeru intended not to use the bonewall deck against us in Round 6.  As their team looks again at the matchups, I don't know whether or not this will change.  Human nature is to use what has worked.  They might believe each of their Round 5 decks stands a good chance against our other deck options anyway.  And when it boils down to it we only have a couple rainbow rushes left.  We might be better off using them where they stand the best chance rather than leaving it to Zeru's deck choice.

At this point I'm thinking sudden killer and a Wings stall may be our two best Round 6 deck options against Entropy.

[kev]

It'll be a little easier to see our options when a little more work is done, but here are my (other) initial thoughts:

Hyroen vs Amilir and brettbstock vs Nyma
For the reasons I outline above I'm currently liking sudden killer for Hyroen and some sort of Wings stall for brett.  If the Wings stall is creature based it'll need ragepots to deal with potential BE.  Sudden killer doesn't need a nova or reflector.

jmdt vs home_wreckaz and majofa vs Corrum
As entropy was kind enough to point out, bonewall is a real problem card.  And corrum knows it.  I don't want to use poisonbolt because we used it in our only Death matchup to date.  Team Death has shown a lot of different deck designs and will continue to vary their designs, so going through previous decks will be less useful for Death than maybe any other element.  Fractix is a good counter to bonewalls, though it's a bit transparent.  Still, we don't have many options if we want to field nine, so fractix it is.  For major I was thinking of testing the earth duo.   With maybe our hammer, golems, fspirits, and EQs, we might outpaced their shields.

kevkev60614 vs Daxx and catalyzeme vs hrmmm
We're pretty limited in our deck options, so it looks like I'm taking fractix.  I like immop for cat simply cuz I don't like it against death or aether.  Freeze and BB are suboptimal.  When I have time I'll look at how immop and our other options measure up to their four decks, which we should know almost card for card.

Acsabi44 vs Boingo
We've used it before but poisonbolt seems to be a better fit here than anywhere else.

Lava Golem vs Rastafla
Last round I considered Dragon Powa but dismissed it because I was concerned about miracle stall.  They lost one miracle stall, lost all their RoFs (I suspect) in their suicide, and might be hesitant to play miracle stall against us.  They might be out of EQs as well.  I'd like to see how Dragon Powa competes with their immophoenix because I consider it to be relatively likely and I like Dragon Powa against their other decks.

Stinnger vs 9270984
That leaves novagrabby, which should fare well unless they take the time to build a counter.  Kael has been complaining a lot about having to suicide though so I don't think they have that kind of flexibility.

[kev]

Here's a rundown of what we have left (after discarding but before salvaging/converting):

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4vj 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f7 5lg 61o 61o 61o 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 63a 63aTechnically we need to salvage the three immos and we're still short 1.  We're also short a freeze, aether pend, and lightning, but those are all easily solvable problems.  Quintspirits isn't really available, as we have 5 spirits and 8 shields left but need 2 spirits for novagrabby, 6 shields for sudden killer, and 2 shields for my fractix.

Bad news though: we need to field 9 decks and we only have 8 above.  And it's going to take serious thought to see whether these are our best available decks and then allocate them.

Here's  (https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0Bz5ol3hxYR9HNGY3OGVmZTEtNTEyNS00OTc1LTk3NDUtNTdmNDczZjFmZDQ3&sort=name&layout=list&num=50)what the vault will look like after last round's discard and cards from all of the individual decks above are taken out.  It's before the bolt decks are removed and before salvaging and converting.  As you can see, we have 4 fire pillars and 14 fire pends to cover two bolt decks and a 9th deck.  If we salvage 9 fire pillars and convert another 12 and take this version of posionbolt:

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We're three pillars over, so we could back out two from salvage and take phoenixes instead.  Hence we can make the following garbage deck:

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I'm really interested in opinions here.  But before offering an opinion please make sure you've gone through the scenarios in as much detail as I have.