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Re: Shard of Bravery | Shard of Bravery https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37207.msg467949#msg467949
« Reply #84 on: March 06, 2012, 12:06:29 am »
This is actually a very bad card to include in a ghostmare deck.
If your opponent hand is not full, you will give him/her the opportunity to have 1-2 more cards that are not GotP.
If you opponent hand is full, nothing will happen.
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Draw an equal amount of cards.
That's exactly the best case to use SoB, though, when your opponent's hand is full, so they don't get the extra cards.
You missed when it was nerfed. Now it will give you a maximum number of cards Equal to what the opponent draws from it.
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Re: Shard of Bravery | Shard of Bravery https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37207.msg467952#msg467952
« Reply #85 on: March 06, 2012, 12:09:25 am »
Ohh, okay.  Yeah, that does nerf the card, which it really needed.  Now there's no way to gain card advantage from SoB (it's actually card disadvantage, since it costs you the SoB) but it will give you a huge tempo boost, since you get to use the drawn cards first.

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Re: Shard of Bravery | Shard of Bravery https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37207.msg467957#msg467957
« Reply #86 on: March 06, 2012, 12:14:54 am »
It's neutral, card-advantage wise. You use up SoB, but filling their hand causes them to discard a card. -1 -1 both sides, after nightmare. It's still 12 turns of hand-denial.
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Re: Shard of Bravery | Shard of Bravery https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37207.msg467963#msg467963
« Reply #87 on: March 06, 2012, 12:24:17 am »
It's neutral, card-advantage wise. You use up SoB, but filling their hand causes them to discard a cardskip a draw. -1 -1 both sides, after nightmare. It's still 12 turns of hand-denial.
The discard step is after the main phase. The opponent has plenty of time to play cards. They are not forced to discard by SoBe alone.
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Re: Shard of Bravery | Shard of Bravery https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37207.msg467966#msg467966
« Reply #88 on: March 06, 2012, 12:31:20 am »
Ah, right. Because unlike with nightmare they can  usually play cards from their own decks. It might still ruin some combos, but it's not even skipping a draw because they've actually already drawn, earlier. I'm imagining a pest-SoBe-nightmare-GoTp combo right now, but that seems too large for an effective fast combo.
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Re: Shard of Bravery | Shard of Bravery https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37207.msg467986#msg467986
« Reply #89 on: March 06, 2012, 01:33:50 am »
It's neutral, card-advantage wise. You use up SoB, but filling their hand causes them to discard a card. -1 -1 both sides, after nightmare. It's still 12 turns of hand-denial.
Good point; if SoB brings them up to 8 cards, the lost draw makes it neutral in terms of card advantage.  My point is only right if SoB puts the opponent at 7 or less cards total.

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Re: Shard of Bravery | Shard of Bravery https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37207.msg469478#msg469478
« Reply #90 on: March 11, 2012, 12:47:08 am »
Maybe some visual feedback is needed when the opponent has sanctuary and you play this one.

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Re: Shard of Bravery | Shard of Bravery https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37207.msg469546#msg469546
« Reply #91 on: March 11, 2012, 04:41:14 am »
I reaffirm this card would be bad in a ghostmare deck. The main strength of such decks is making the opponent draw as little new cards from their deck as possible, through making them miss draws and reversing their creatures. Making your opponent draw 2 new cards goes against you.
Even if playing the shard would fill the opponent's hand (note that discard only happens at end of one's turn), in that case you would have neutral card advantage, yes, but you will exchange 1 card for another such as Precognition does, and for that prupose Precognition is better.
Because:
- costs less.
- lets you see your opponent's hand and next draw.
- you will not give your opponent card advantage if their hand is not almost full.

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Where will this card be really useful:

-Any deck, versus AIs with double draw. Filling its hand or almost, makes it draw 1/2 less cards.

-Decks formed of low quanta cost cards/rush decks. While you may play all the 2/3 cards you draw the turn you use the shard, your opponent might have to wait for quanta production. Thus it might not be as good for your opponent as is for you. (albeit the card comes together with the nova/snova nerf)

-OTK decks. Where you want to draw your whole deck, although while playing those decks, you will have to keep in your hand the cards you are going to use for the final turn show, wich might ruin your multidraw ability.

-Decks whose winning strategy is deckout. While not very popular at the moment, they might become popular with the addition of this shard. Imagine against a 30 card deck, making it draw 12/18 cards, you only have to stall during 11/5(!!) turns.

-SoSa decks. Your opponent is not likely to do much with the extra cards when you are under the inverted damage effect, while you may need to draw more SoSas to keep you alive.

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Re: Shard of Bravery | Shard of Bravery https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37207.msg469595#msg469595
« Reply #92 on: March 11, 2012, 06:06:28 am »
Hmm, this is so fitting for cremation rush, i mean, its already ignoring card advantage for speed, so this is going to be AMAZING! too bad i cant chain them in a single turn though...
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Re: Shard of Bravery | Shard of Bravery https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37207.msg470911#msg470911
« Reply #93 on: March 14, 2012, 11:02:19 pm »
Hmm, this is so fitting for cremation rush, i mean, its already ignoring card advantage for speed, so this is going to be AMAZING! too bad i cant chain them in a single turn though...
This. Like Wizy said, any rush will appreciate it, but it will be absolutely nuts with cremation. It will provide that extra oomph to finish the job when the opponent starts to take back control in midgame.

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Re: Shard of Bravery | Shard of Bravery https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37207.msg470915#msg470915
« Reply #94 on: March 14, 2012, 11:05:23 pm »
this card combines very well with silence to fill the opponent's hand and deny them a turn to force a discard... maybe some kind of  :aether rush will born from this :P? probably a similar deck to Silence is Golden

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Re: Shard of Bravery | Shard of Bravery https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37207.msg473847#msg473847
« Reply #95 on: March 24, 2012, 08:58:45 pm »
Can't wait to see how this one will be...

 

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