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Re: Decks Used Against Arena with Stats 1.32 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45840.msg1073324#msg1073324
« Reply #276 on: May 22, 2013, 11:16:31 pm »
I would like to gently refute the notion that vets ... have no need to grind Bronze which led to the conclusion that upgraded decks for Bronze are mostly pointless to track.
Though I did not understand the reasons for upped Bronze farmers before reading CG's and rob's posts above, I did not draw the conclusion that upped Bronze farmers are pointless (though I do understand how my words could lead one to that assumption).  Actually, my point was exactly the opposite.

I was drawing attention to the extreme shortage of newbie-friendly Bronze farmers--and their complete absence in non-spoilered sections of the OP.  This is a situation which I find wholly unacceptable and even shameful, especially in light of the fact that the Council hired me to help attract new players to the game.  I just can't stand the thought of putting in work to bring someone new on board, only to have them quit because the helpful ideas in the forum overwhelmingly favour upgraded decks.  I do understand the reason why upped decks have a stronger presence.  The forum contains many ideas for unupped decks, though they can be difficult to find.

TL;DR  I didn't say upped Bronze farmers are pointless.  I said unupped Bronze farmers in this thread are far too few and far too difficult to find.  If we're going to do this, let's do it right.
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Re: Decks Used Against Arena with Stats 1.32 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45840.msg1073329#msg1073329
« Reply #277 on: May 22, 2013, 11:36:31 pm »
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Though I did not understand the reasons for upped Bronze farmers before reading CG's and rob's posts above, I did not draw the conclusion that upped Bronze farmers are pointless (though I do understand how my words could lead one to that assumption).  Actually, my point was exactly the opposite.

I was drawing attention to the extreme shortage of newbie-friendly Bronze farmers--and their complete absence in non-spoilered sections of the OP.  This is a situation which I find wholly unacceptable and even shameful, especially in light of the fact that the Council hired me to help attract new players to the game.  I just can't stand the thought of putting in work to bring someone new on board, only to have them quit because the helpful ideas in the forum overwhelmingly favour upgraded decks.  I do understand the reason why upped decks have a stronger presence.  The forum contains many ideas for unupped decks, though they can be difficult to find.

TL;DR  I didn't say upped Bronze farmers are pointless.  I said unupped Bronze farmers in this thread are far too few and far too difficult to find.  If we're going to do this, let's do it right.

First, apologies for misrepresenting what Pella had commented.  It seemed easily inferred to me that you meant upgraded Bronze decks had no purpose.  :)  I refuted because I thought you meant that and I personally still grind Bronze and use upgraded decks almost exclusively for it.  I concede your assertion that was not your meaning.

For un-upped Bronze I would recommend either:

- Antabow
- Un-upped Mono-dark
- Un-upped Mono-death
- Toxic Shriekers

All four of those are good in Bronze with Antabow and Mono-dark being capable in Silver most days as well.  It is my opinion not many other Arena-dedicated unupgraded decks exist (or exist with very little if any Arena stats) because those four basically take the cake.  They are fast (Mono-death), flexible (Antabow, Toxic Shriekers), or all-around-complete (Mono-dark with PC, CC, healing, and denial in ONE DECK!) and not many other unupgraded decks can compete with that.
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Re: Decks Used Against Arena with Stats 1.32 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45840.msg1073352#msg1073352
« Reply #278 on: May 23, 2013, 01:37:37 am »
While I almost fully agree with Pella's point of view, and I have plenty of upped cards, I also want more unupped decks to appear here. I'll try to get :time to work on some but atm I'm a bit busy, may have to wait a few more weeks unless I get a nice free part of the weekend.

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Re: Decks Used Against Arena with Stats 1.32 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45840.msg1073367#msg1073367
« Reply #279 on: May 23, 2013, 02:27:49 am »
Unupped bronze farmer
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Re: Decks Used Against Arena with Stats 1.32 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45840.msg1073368#msg1073368
« Reply #280 on: May 23, 2013, 02:29:58 am »
rob, apology accepted.  My apologies for not planning my words more carefully.

I started testing with Toxic Shriekers because.

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neuro, mono-Aether. meh.  I know it's effective, just meh.
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Re: Decks Used Against Arena with Stats 1.32 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45840.msg1073369#msg1073369
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neuro, mono-Aether. meh.  I know it's effective, just meh.

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Re: Decks Used Against Arena with Stats 1.32 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45840.msg1073443#msg1073443
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I love Pharaoh  ;D

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Re: Decks Used Against Arena with Stats 1.32 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45840.msg1073815#msg1073815
« Reply #283 on: May 24, 2013, 03:01:25 pm »
been getting stats from that deck on page 22, the SoR pharaoh one.  looking pretty good, ~47% win through ~70 games. expecting it to flatten out at 40-45% over 100+, but even thats respectable.  nothing final yet.

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Re: Decks Used Against Arena with Stats 1.32 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45840.msg1074902#msg1074902
« Reply #284 on: May 27, 2013, 05:42:07 pm »
It's been quite a while since I've posted any stats here due to RL interference and not having a great deal of free time for the game (and not really wanting to spend what free time I've had formatting a big ol' post like this), so there's a lot of runs in this post. Hopefully it'll motivate the OP to get updated as well. :p

Many of these decks I have tested before. All runs mentioned below are additional runs and do not include any stats I have previously reported.

Bronze Unupped

Psion Fractal Massacre (aka Psiontal) By Hazardus10, modified by ColorlessGreen, tested by ColorlessGreen
W:81 L:19 %:81.00% TTW:11.93 EM:4/81 EM%:4.94%
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New #1 win rate for unupped/shardless bronze (and it's even fully rareless). I suspect this deck will work well in silver as well, though I haven't tested it yet.

PvP Graboid Rainbow (aka Antabow) By Antagon, tested by ColorlessGreen
W:156 L:46 %:77.23% TTW:9.33 EM:7/156 EM%:4.49%
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Pretty close to psiontal in terms of special spins per hour due to being faster.

Fastest unupped mono AI3 farmer (aka classic mono-death) By MrBlonde, tested by ColorlessGreen
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Additional stats for the current #1 unupped/shardless silver grinder. Can't really do better than this for score unupped.


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The Bone Collector By Tiko, tested by ColorlessGreen
W:156 L:45  %: 77.61% TTW:13.91 EM:49/156 EM%:  31.41%
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This is a rather large drop from the previously reported stats. I personally attribute this to Bone Collector having been on top for so long that enough people are using it that the meta has shifted against it. FWIW, my stats for this, while more recent than any of the stats for BC in silver currently reported in the thread, are still a bit old, so it's possible (though I consider it unlikely) that the meta has shifted back into BC's favor. I'd love it if any other people wanted to run more stats to see if we can figure out exactly where this deck is going to wind up in the rankings now that the meta has adapted to it.

The Wrecking Ball By Willng3, tested by ColorlessGreen
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Lava Rush vEnlightenment By ~Napalm, tested by ColorlessGreen
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Pestal 101 By Xenocidius, tested by ColorlessGreen
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MitoRoL By Faro, tested by ColorlessGreen
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Platinum Upped

Swallow (2-NT version) By SnoWeb, tested by ColorlessGreen
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New Old Times FG OTK By Chapuz, modified by ColorlessGreen, tested by ColorlessGreen
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Re: Decks Used Against Arena with Stats 1.32 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45840.msg1075462#msg1075462
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kinda wished these decks didn't all have shards 0_o sucks being new ;(

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Re: Decks Used Against Arena with Stats 1.32 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45840.msg1075481#msg1075481
« Reply #286 on: May 29, 2013, 10:42:35 pm »
kinda wished these decks didn't all have shards 0_o sucks being new ;(

Hopefully you were just using that as a cheap way to get some forum posts in preparation for a tourney (or other 'minimum post' PvP Event?).  ColorlessGreen just posted NINE shard-less decks for Arena levels Bronze, Silver, and Gold with one even being rareless too!  Please be sure to comment after you have read the thread to make sure you are not making an incorrect conclusion or asking an already-answered question.  :)
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Re: Decks Used Against Arena with Stats 1.32 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45840.msg1075494#msg1075494
« Reply #287 on: May 29, 2013, 11:14:12 pm »
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I was fooling around with this mono-fire version to check stats a while back (like last summer ish).  It kept on falling between 75-80%. Not judging it, just stating the rough approximate I have from a while ago.  Of course, it's been a while, so this stat might not be entirely accurate.
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