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Re: FG Efficiency Study - Applying statistics to all of the myths https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25609.msg395786#msg395786
« Reply #324 on: September 19, 2011, 09:01:27 pm »

Unholy mother of God. That FGei with that winrate.. *drools*
Hell yeah ...

I am almost done with retuning the Statmasta according to the cardspin-rates as calculated by DarkWeaver (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,20376.0.html) and I can already tell you that the decks FGei(c)s and -(cn)s will jump up by a grand or something easily ... yet without skips!

Now imagine THIS deck ... We are talking about a realistic FGei somewhere beyond 7k here  :o :-\ :o

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Re: FG Efficiency Study - Applying statistics to all of the myths https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25609.msg395822#msg395822
« Reply #325 on: September 19, 2011, 10:04:34 pm »
Stats updated.  Looking forward to seeing what everything looks like with skips.  Lets get 500 games on Fast-Draw Ghostal so we can see what it looks like with skips as well :)

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Re: FG Efficiency Study - Applying statistics to all of the myths https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25609.msg395844#msg395844
« Reply #326 on: September 19, 2011, 10:41:20 pm »
Time for kirch the FGei killah to reappear! :D
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Re: FG Efficiency Study - Applying statistics to all of the myths https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25609.msg395887#msg395887
« Reply #327 on: September 20, 2011, 12:31:35 am »

Now imagine THIS deck ... We are talking about a realistic FGei somewhere beyond 7k here  :o :-\ :o
Just ran Ghostal through the new Statmasta and it already beat 6k FGei without skips ...

Since its performance against the various gods looks very balanced though, I doubt it will profit as much from skip-stats as other decks.
You can't really boost allrounders by skipping just a handful of gods ...


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Re: FG Efficiency Study - Applying statistics to all of the myths https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25609.msg395991#msg395991
« Reply #328 on: September 20, 2011, 05:38:36 am »
The Fast-Draw Ghostal stats are finished (though I'll probably play the deck some more, it's good):

  deck     Ghostal   
  players     10 men   
  version    1.285 
  win-rate     65,87%   
  $ track ?    enabled 
  win-rate (n)     65,84%   
  games    208 
  Score/h     881   
  win-loss-(EM)     137-71-(98)   
  Score/h (n)    902   
  time (h:m:s)     14:29:25   
  FGei[c]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html  4639   
  min/game     04:11   
  FGei[cn]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html  4748   
      Statmasta™4000                                                                *assumed card-spin/win: 35%

  score/h  FGei(c)   Statmasta™4000    wins losses skips EM/Wins
   1313
   977
   658
   -870
   954
   1604
   -583
   1536
   1056
   1352
   643
   901
   -246
   1119   
   680
   1348
   230
   1191
   1802
   966
   1426
   -2400
   609
   722
   1590
   321
   400
   715
   1140
   6732
   4863
   4292
   -870
   4373
   7031
   995
   6858
   5591
   5927
   3320
   4629
   1133
   6039   
   4474
   5908
   1828
   5223
   7898
   5046
   6250
   -2400
   4037
   4009
   7248
   2180
   3468
   4737
   5771
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Divine Glory
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Fire Queen
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Incarnate
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Lionheart
Miracle
Morte
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Obliterator
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Seism
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Re: FG Efficiency Study - Applying statistics to all of the myths https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25609.msg396028#msg396028
« Reply #329 on: September 20, 2011, 07:46:30 am »
I'm tempted to sell some of my upped cards just to build that deck!
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Re: FG Efficiency Study - Applying statistics to all of the myths https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25609.msg396177#msg396177
« Reply #330 on: September 20, 2011, 03:51:41 pm »
Uh huh! Top of the leader-board baby!  ;D

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Re: FG Efficiency Study - Applying statistics to all of the myths https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25609.msg396186#msg396186
« Reply #331 on: September 20, 2011, 04:06:10 pm »
Holy mother of rush, that is insane!And almost 1k score/hour!
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Re: FG Efficiency Study - Applying statistics to all of the myths https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25609.msg396459#msg396459
« Reply #332 on: September 21, 2011, 12:43:24 am »
How did you get such fast games? I played about 20 games with that deck, and I only got (winning) games below 6 minutes 5 times.

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Re: FG Efficiency Study - Applying statistics to all of the myths https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25609.msg396470#msg396470
« Reply #333 on: September 21, 2011, 01:00:18 am »
How did you get such fast games? I played about 20 games with that deck, and I only got (winning) games below 6 minutes 5 times.
It's an average game length taking both the wins and losses into account.

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Re: FG Efficiency Study - Applying statistics to all of the myths https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25609.msg396492#msg396492
« Reply #334 on: September 21, 2011, 01:50:46 am »
I get 5-minute wins partly unupgraded. Maybe use high-speed AI?
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Re: FG Efficiency Study - Applying statistics to all of the myths https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25609.msg396501#msg396501
« Reply #335 on: September 21, 2011, 02:16:01 am »


ah?
then is the FGei based on that average time?
Yes sort of ... each FGeis formula in the Statmasta is calculated as such:

FGei = Electrum won / time spent (total: wins + losses + skips)


For the new edition of the Statmasta this means in detail:

FGei(e) = Electrum actually won / time actually spent
FGei(c) = Electrum you would have won if the gods had handed out cards according to their average droprates / time actually spent
FGei(cn) = Electrum you would have won if the gods had handed out cards according to their average droprates / time you would have spent if you had met every FG equally often

Now for the FGei(cn) the average time/game each god has is rather important because it is multiplied with the number of theoretical, normalized encounters with each god (which is of course the same for all gods). This way a new, theoretical "time total" is created for each god and consequentially for all games played which will in return shift your FGei(cn) away from the FGei(c) in almost all cases.

You could express all this briefly by saying: 
Throughout all the games in a sample, a profile is created for each god.
To get an FGei(cn) all the gods profiles are resized to the same size and then merged.

"Win-rate", "EM-rate", "Elec won / regular win" and of course "time/game" god make up a gods profile and lead to:
A gods individual FGei(c)  ->  These individual FGei(c)s are actually the most interesting values since they express the sum of all above factors ... You could say they are a decks and gods efficiency/performance profile.

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And while we are at it:

The      S T A T M A S T A™ r e a l t e c      is out.

It features the recently confirmed individual cardspin-rates for each god when it comes to calculating the FGei(c) and FGei(cn) as explained above.
This has significantly boosted (and sometimes shifted) our test-decks FGeis as you will see as soon as kirchj has updated the OP.

More information on it and the download can be found in the Statmasta-thread (see my sig).

Please use the realtec-edition one from now on, so that any statsheet-posts show comparable,
up to date results
... and so I don't have to copy-paste everything later :))


 

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