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Re: FG Efficiency Study - Applying statistics to all of the myths https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25609.msg382361#msg382361
« Reply #240 on: August 20, 2011, 01:00:50 am »
Or 42 seconds, dependin' who you're comparin' to.
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Re: FG Efficiency Study - Applying statistics to all of the myths https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25609.msg382419#msg382419
« Reply #241 on: August 20, 2011, 03:59:59 am »
Okay. Whew. Finally did it.

I did 30 more games on this thing, took a break, then discovered that "Custom AI6" from the trainer will play exactly like the FG in question. (Except for Osiris who was buffed in the latest patch due to Catapult being buffed.) I took that route since I only had a small handful of matches left to acheive normalization. Right now I'm more interested in grinding AI3 and making the move to Platinum League with my score, but it feels good to finally have this task complete.

Here are those recent matches as well as the complete, merged stats from the whole run. Surprisingly close to being exactly 35% cards won! I really felt like I was getting an unfairly low number of spin wins, but I guess roughly the right amount is in fact happening. Yay.

Much closer to Jenkar's numbers now, unfortunately, but I still had a lot of fun with this deck. One could claim that my previous FGei on this deck was due to a "lucky streak", but you could also hypothesize that my latest games were an "unlucky streak". I lost vs Incarnate, Elidnis, Chaos Lord, and Decay! All of the above are FGs who are normally super easy for this deck to take on.

I hope that in later stages of the study we can cook up a slightly improved, more consistent variant. Those 4 losses were especially annoying.

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Re: FG Efficiency Study - Applying statistics to all of the myths https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25609.msg383209#msg383209
« Reply #242 on: August 21, 2011, 07:50:33 pm »
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,30140.msg409631.html#msg409631

This is a study about drop rates. Any help is apreciated, as it well help to enhance the accuracy of FGei.
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Re: FG Efficiency Study - Applying statistics to all of the myths https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25609.msg384479#msg384479
« Reply #243 on: August 25, 2011, 06:53:26 am »
  deck     Turbo Speed FG Farming   
  players     kirchj33   
  version    1.285 
  win-rate     40.88%   
  $ track ?    enabled 
  win-rate (n)     39.8%   
  games    159 
  Score/h     371   
  win-loss-(EM)     65-94-(12)   
  Score/h (n)    354   
  time (h:m:s)     07:45:31   
  FGei[c]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html  3567   
  min/game     02:56   
  FGei[cn]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html  3549   
      Statmasta™4000                                                                *assumed card-spin/win: 35%      
      

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  score/h  FGei(c)   Statmasta™4000    wins losses skips EM/Wins
   -980
   -141
   827
   -601
   1128
   928
   -210
   754
   -1149
   126
   1780
   133
   -1208
   -63   
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   281
   509
   739
   126
   836
   -396
   -1565
   -196
   688
   534
   -453
   806
   1491
   -980
   1765
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   -601
   6020
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   1716
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   1700
   -1565
   1976
   4231
   3380
   1053
   4860
   8587
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Dark Matter
Decay
Destiny
Divine Glory
Dream Catcher
Elidnis
Eternal Phoenix
Ferox
Fire Queen
Gemini
Graviton
Hecate
Hermes
Incarnate
Jezebel
Lionheart
Miracle
Morte
Neptune
Obliterator
Octane
Osiris
Paradox
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Scorpio
Seism
Serket
   
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Re: FG Efficiency Study - Applying statistics to all of the myths https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25609.msg386211#msg386211
« Reply #244 on: August 29, 2011, 12:39:25 pm »
Someone might wanna test drive this list:

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6rn 6rn 6rn 7q0 7q0 7q0 7q0 7q0 7q0 7q0 7q0 7q0 7q0 7q0 7q0 7q5 7q5 7q5 7q5 7q5 7q5 7q8 7q8 7qe 7qe 7ri 7ri 7ri 7ri 7ri 7ri 7ri 7ri 80d 80d 80d 80d 80d 80d 80i 80i 8pu


(See this thread here (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,29973.0.html))

Personally I'm almost always doing something else while playing so I'd rather not get into the business of recording time and efficiency stats, but I've got wins/losses/EMs here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?hl=en_GB&hl=en_GB&key=0AgxDeoyDoRYZdGltLUNHXzF6WXlMbFUtNnZGcjBwSkE&output=html). As of writing this, 36 wins (25 EM) out of 50 games (+ 22 wins out of 35, 1 EM with a shardless version). It looks a lot like IGT but is much more straightforward in how it plays out. It could probably be improved - I mean, it's an upped copy Djhopper's unupped list with 3 shards thrown in - but even as it is it's been insane for me. Oh yeah, and it's fast too.

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Re: FG Efficiency Study - Applying statistics to all of the myths https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25609.msg386255#msg386255
« Reply #245 on: August 29, 2011, 03:00:46 pm »
Locking card-draw was the strategy for many FGs in I've GotP Time deck. It's not possible with this variant. Interesting that you've got such stats :)

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Re: FG Efficiency Study - Applying statistics to all of the myths https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25609.msg386318#msg386318
« Reply #246 on: August 29, 2011, 05:18:43 pm »
Someone might wanna test drive this list:

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6rn 6rn 6rn 7q0 7q0 7q0 7q0 7q0 7q0 7q0 7q0 7q0 7q0 7q0 7q0 7q5 7q5 7q5 7q5 7q5 7q5 7q8 7q8 7qe 7qe 7ri 7ri 7ri 7ri 7ri 7ri 7ri 7ri 80d 80d 80d 80d 80d 80d 80i 80i 8pu


(See this thread here (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,29973.0.html))

Personally I'm almost always doing something else while playing so I'd rather not get into the business of recording time and efficiency stats, but I've got wins/losses/EMs here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?hl=en_GB&hl=en_GB&key=0AgxDeoyDoRYZdGltLUNHXzF6WXlMbFUtNnZGcjBwSkE&output=html). As of writing this, 36 wins (25 EM) out of 50 games (+ 22 wins out of 35, 1 EM with a shardless version). It looks a lot like IGT but is much more straightforward in how it plays out. It could probably be improved - I mean, it's an upped copy Djhopper's unupped list with 3 shards thrown in - but even as it is it's been insane for me. Oh yeah, and it's fast too.
I haven't looked into the upped version much but I would like to see these stats confirmed in case this is really as good as it looks!
Locking card-draw was the strategy for many FGs in I've GotP Time deck. It's not possible with this variant. Interesting that you've got such stats :)
This deck is very different to IGT: It is MUCH faster. This should give it a fgei to die for :)

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Re: FG Efficiency Study - Applying statistics to all of the myths https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25609.msg386324#msg386324
« Reply #247 on: August 29, 2011, 05:31:09 pm »
@ Polari : do a fg by fg decomposition. I'll try it if i find the time after CCYB (nearly finished) and voodoo.
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Re: FG Efficiency Study - Applying statistics to all of the myths https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25609.msg386378#msg386378
« Reply #248 on: August 29, 2011, 07:35:01 pm »
@ Polari : do a fg by fg decomposition. I'll try it if i find the time after CCYB (nearly finished) and voodoo.
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Re: FG Efficiency Study - Applying statistics to all of the myths https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25609.msg386419#msg386419
« Reply #249 on: August 29, 2011, 08:46:18 pm »
  deck     CCYB   
  players     Jenkar   
  version    1.285 
  win-rate     44,74%   
  $ track ?    enabled 
  win-rate (n)     45,61%   
  games    304 
  Score/h     500   
  win-loss-(EM)     136-168-(56)   
  Score/h (n)    525   
  time (h:m:s)     16:34:35   
  FGei[c]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html  3686   
  min/game     03:16   
  FGei[cn]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html  3801   
      Statmasta™4000                                                                *assumed card-spin/win: 35%

  score/h  FGei(c)   Statmasta™4000    wins losses skips EM/Wins
   -261
   -26
   -105
   1187
   1130
   -638
   -13
   509
   -387
   1011
   -301
   -51
   -476
   1336   
   -467
   873
   50
   468
   741
   604
   1621
   772
   1242
   948
   846
   -726
   37
   1062
   1239
   1720
   1865
   1319
   5846
   5616
   195
   1821
   3806
   1783
   5907
   429
   1923
   -112
   6685   
   591
   4831
   1775
   3205
   4878
   3763
   7105
   5076
   6177
   5317
   5237
   -726
   2610
   5735
   7386
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Chaos Lord
Dark Matter
Decay
Destiny
Divine Glory
Dream Catcher
Elidnis
Eternal Phoenix
Ferox
Fire Queen
Gemini
Graviton
Hecate
Hermes
Incarnate
Jezebel
Lionheart
Miracle
Morte
Neptune
Obliterator
Octane
Osiris
Paradox
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Scorpio
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Re: FG Efficiency Study - Applying statistics to all of the myths https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25609.msg386461#msg386461
« Reply #250 on: August 29, 2011, 09:53:57 pm »
Hmm, it's strange seeing CCYB constantly below 50% winrate.

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Re: FG Efficiency Study - Applying statistics to all of the myths https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25609.msg386598#msg386598
« Reply #251 on: August 30, 2011, 04:12:19 am »
What's next? I have a renewed interest in helping because there's some stuff I want to do with the data when it's all ready!

What can I do to help?

 

anything
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