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Re: Identifying the Optimal Quanta Index https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40886.msg1036838#msg1036838
« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2013, 12:10:34 pm »
That comes with experience. QI isn't very reliable.
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Re: Identifying the Optimal Quanta Index https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40886.msg1036840#msg1036840
« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2013, 12:33:29 pm »
That comes with experience. QI isn't very reliable.
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It also depends on your strategy. For example, if you wanna play a OTK, with only 3 pillars you can safely charge a Sky Blitz or Chimera, as you need the quanta just for the end of the game.
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Re: Identifying the Optimal Quanta Index https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40886.msg1036849#msg1036849
« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2013, 01:04:35 pm »
That comes with experience. QI isn't very reliable.
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It also depends on your strategy. For example, if you wanna play a OTK, with only 3 pillars you can safely charge a Sky Blitz or Chimera, as you need the quanta just for the end of the game.

true, but it would be handy to be able to calculate it with no tools

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Re: Identifying the Optimal Quanta Index https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40886.msg1036879#msg1036879
« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2013, 03:09:23 pm »
That comes with experience. QI isn't very reliable.
QI isn't the solution; it's a tool used to find the solution.  Saying QI is unreliable is like saying it's my hammer's fault the sink can't be fixed.

shileka: Lots of really great deckbuilders (Shantu included) aren't big believers in QI.  I am.  Don't let anyone tell you that deckbuilding skills can't be acquired unless you have the magic of experience.  Learning how to calculate QI is a great first step.  If the opening post is too technical for you (as it is for me), just go back to SG's post and make sure your QI is less than 5 for rushes and greater than five for stalls.

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Re: Identifying the Optimal Quanta Index https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40886.msg1036917#msg1036917
« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2013, 05:25:17 pm »
That comes with experience. QI isn't very reliable.
QI isn't the solution; it's a tool used to find the solution.  Saying QI is unreliable is like saying it's my hammer's fault the sink can't be fixed.

shileka: Lots of really great deckbuilders (Shantu included) aren't big believers in QI.  I am.  Don't let anyone tell you that deckbuilding skills can't be acquired unless you have the magic of experience.  Learning how to calculate QI is a great first step.  If the opening post is too technical for you (as it is for me), just go back to SG's post and make sure your QI is less than 5 for rushes and greater than five for stalls.

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Re: Identifying the Optimal Quanta Index https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40886.msg1036923#msg1036923
« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2013, 05:56:57 pm »
QI isn't the solution; it's a tool used to find the solution.  Saying QI is unreliable is like saying it's my hammer's fault the sink can't be fixed.

I agree with kev here. To me, QI is like Newton's Law of Gravity: it doesn't fully explain gravity like Einstein's General Relativity, but it's a great approximation for everyday calculations. QI doesn't fully "explain" quanta balance, but in my opinion, it's a great approximation for many decks and at least a crude starting point in the other decks. Of course, there are a lot of other considerations that QI is not good at taking into account. That's where experience, testing, and/or other tools come in handy to help you find a good answer. I say a "good" answer because it's rare for there to be a single right answer when it comes to balancing quanta and cards. Deck-building is about making trade-offs, and people will have differing opinions on what compromises should be made.

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Re: Identifying the Optimal Quanta Index https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40886.msg1036948#msg1036948
« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2013, 07:48:17 pm »
BTW, the best way to learn is to check the wardecks. Either the archives or the current decks.
It is a great compilation of all kinds of decks; rush and stall; mono, duo, sometimes trio and novadecks.
And, being a contributed effort of the best players the community has, I think they are among the better decks you can find, quanta-balancing included.
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Re: Identifying the Optimal Quanta Index https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40886.msg1036957#msg1036957
« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2013, 08:29:38 pm »
I analyse war decks from time to time. But the opponent strongly biases the deckbuiling, such as playing against team entropy, for instance. So you need to take more aspects into consideration than you normally would.

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Re: Identifying the Optimal Quanta Index https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40886.msg1036964#msg1036964
« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2013, 08:52:18 pm »
I analyse war decks from time to time. But the opponent strongly biases the deckbuiling, such as playing against team entropy, for instance. So you need to take more aspects into consideration than you normally would.

umm... just like... you know, otherwise?
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