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Re: How to evaluate vanilla creatures https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48650.msg1062423#msg1062423
« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2013, 10:36:26 pm »
Wicked Guide. Great guide for beginners in card making and in deck making.  I can't wait to see what is added :D
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Re: How to evaluate vanilla creatures https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48650.msg1062442#msg1062442
« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2013, 11:21:05 pm »
Good guide. +102 Rep I especially liked the additional detail you went into.

Rules 1-3 are:
High expected damage per Quanta Cost is good
High expected damage per Card Cost is good
High expected damage per Turn Cost is good
The true cost of a card is a function* of these three costs (quanta, card and turn).

Rules 4&5 are:
Expected damage is a function* of damage per turn, frequency of disruption and resilience to disruption.

*This is one of the big questions of card design/card balance. The person to find these functions ...
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Re: How to evaluate vanilla creatures https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48650.msg1062843#msg1062843
« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2013, 09:33:59 pm »
Thank you all for the friendly feedback, I am happy that my little article resonated.

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Re: How to evaluate vanilla creatures https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48650.msg1063106#msg1063106
« Reply #15 on: April 23, 2013, 02:50:04 pm »
Random fact:

A deck with a single skyblitz and 29 damselflies in 0.032 turns faster (Average TTW: 5.46752) than a deck with 30 damselflies, or something close to that.

If you ever run a deck like that, remember to swap out a damselfly for a sky blitz.
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Re: How to evaluate vanilla creatures https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48650.msg1063113#msg1063113
« Reply #16 on: April 23, 2013, 03:08:46 pm »
Random fact:

A deck with a single skyblitz and 29 damselflies in 0.032 turns faster (Average TTW: 5.46752) than a deck with 30 damselflies, or something close to that.

If you ever run a deck like that, remember to swap out a damselfly for a sky blitz.

This right here is the kind of vital information I read the forums for.

Did you run a simulation on 28 damselflies and two sky blitzes? I could see two sky blitzes being a slightly better TTW (but I could also see it going the other way). How about three? Where's the sky blitz sweet spot?

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Re: How to evaluate vanilla creatures https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48650.msg1063129#msg1063129
« Reply #17 on: April 23, 2013, 04:03:10 pm »
Random fact:

A deck with a single skyblitz and 29 damselflies in 0.032 turns faster (Average TTW: 5.46752) than a deck with 30 damselflies, or something close to that.

If you ever run a deck like that, remember to swap out a damselfly for a sky blitz.

This right here is the kind of vital information I read the forums for.

Did you run a simulation on 28 damselflies and two sky blitzes? I could see two sky blitzes being a slightly better TTW (but I could also see it going the other way). How about three? Where's the sky blitz sweet spot?
"A deck with a single skyblitz and 29 damselflies in 0.032 turns faster...than a deck with 30 damselflies "
Following your logic, a deck of 30 SkyBlitzes is (0.032*30)= 0,96 turns faster! That's almost a full turn!
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Re: How to evaluate vanilla creatures https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48650.msg1064652#msg1064652
« Reply #18 on: April 28, 2013, 05:00:19 am »
Briefly skimmed it. Very, very good article. I've been wanting, and the community has been needing, for something like this for a long time. Well done. Have some tasty +rep.

 

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