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Event Card Discussion - Round 1 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=24004.msg306498#msg306498
« on: April 06, 2011, 05:40:59 am »


So... what do we do. It's early on, so losing cards won't hurt too bad, and using upgrades against our tough match-ups would really help...

Kaker vs. UTAlan. We don't need upgrades but expect them to bring upgrades.

Acsabi vs. Steppingstone. We might want 3-6 upped cards for this.

jijo vs. 10men. This has to be one of our biggest matchups, I would recommend 12-15 ups if we can afford it.

Spielkind vs. Thedictator. Not to worried, maybe 3 if we have spares.

Me vs. Jippy. With Quantum in charge, I would not underestimate air. Maybe 3-6 here as well.

Kamietsu vs. Devilloss. Not to scared about this matchup, 3-6 if we have extras.

Terroking vs. Svennigan. WE MUST DESTROY DEH FIRE!!! Just kidding... but 6-9 ups here would be preferable.

Timer vs. Mr.paper. Hmm... not sure probably a 3-9.


Possibilities.
11 cards removed - 33 upgrades.
18 cards removed - 54 upgrades.

We could also go with:
77 cards removed, fully upped decks (Assuming 30 cards.)

Discuss.

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Re: Event Card Discussion - Round 1 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=24004.msg306611#msg306611
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2011, 11:29:29 am »
IMO we should first decide on the decks (as it defines our tactis vs the particular opponent) then see if we can greatly improve the picked deck with a reasonable number of upgrades.
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Re: Event Card Discussion - Round 1 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=24004.msg306816#msg306816
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2011, 05:33:09 pm »
I'd rather not overuse those upgrades. If they improve a deck considerably, resaulting in a much higher chance of winning, there is nothing to say against a few upgrades. But I wouldn't use more than 9 upgrades (3 cards) on any deck, especially since it is the first round and losing a couple of matches doesn't hurt that bad.

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Re: Event Card Discussion - Round 1 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=24004.msg306844#msg306844
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2011, 06:21:32 pm »
i guess the same at the other teams... some cards are much stronger upgraded, but that are few, we can win the most without to much ups!
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Re: Event Card Discussion - Round 1 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=24004.msg306939#msg306939
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2011, 09:11:08 pm »
Unless you make me play wit some darkness, i guess its 0 upgrades for me. I dont have earth uppeds.

And i agree with kaker, dont take uppeds unless they are necessary.
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Re: Event Card Discussion - Round 1 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=24004.msg307001#msg307001
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2011, 09:56:24 pm »
Unless you make me play wit some darkness, i guess its 0 upgrades for me. I dont have earth uppeds.

And i agree with kaker, dont take uppeds unless they are necessary.
This reminds me. How much our opponents can exploit this event card?
Will look after this, based on their card and  :electrum collection in their application.

EDIT Well apparently they can, They either have a bunch of upped card or lots of bling.
 :water Dictator,  :aether UTALan and :darkness mrpaper might have a limited access to upped cards.

EDIT2 Simple game theory maths here.
Let's assume for a second that upped cards--> win.
We can salvage 6 cards from a win.
That means if we discard 5 cards for a win, then we are netting a card, and if we discard 7, then we losing one.
That said, we shouldn't discard more than 6 cards for any deck, so we shouldn't up more than 3*6=18 cards.
(if we discard 6, our only gain is that the opponent must discard 6 from their deck, and thus, his team gets weaker)
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ofc the problem is that 'upped cards' -/-> win and even 'more upped cards than the opponent'-/-> win, but still, we can guess and estimate the hypotetical 'value' of a win opposed to the likeliness of it, and up cards according to the results.

In the ideal world the chances of winning would be a direct function of the number of upped cards used, or rather, the difference between the amount of our upped cards - the amount of the opponents upped cards. In this world we could make an 'investment-payoff-chances of winning' equation and simply choose the amount of upped cards based on the maximum values of 'payoff' in the equation :D (mathematically, it means to derivate the equation according to the parameter 'payoff'). I dunno why I am writing this. It has no relevance lol  :P
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Re: Event Card Discussion - Round 1 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=24004.msg307135#msg307135
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2011, 12:14:03 am »
I have no upped cards, therefore I will volunteer to take none. >.>
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Re: Event Card Discussion - Round 1 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=24004.msg307341#msg307341
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2011, 04:44:58 am »
i can up evrything you want... but the nymph is safe... ;)
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