Swallow [Patient Otyugh][Pulled SoFO][Platinum]

[runesword03]

thanks a lot sir..

[ColorlessGreen]

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Mr. Snoweb, how come you are not that comfortable with salvagers as i've seen from the previous posts?
Also, is it viable to add 1 more SoP just for increased draw possibility?

Well, I'm not snoweb, but I have played this deck quite a bit, so:

Salvagers aren't a terrible idea really, but they clog up the deck and get in the way of getting other things. You only need one of your 3 (or 4) SoPs in play and you don't really need it in play for very long, and this is a control deck, so if they have the resources to spam PC at your SoPs, something is probably going wrong that wouldn't really be fixed by more SoPs in your hand. If you suspect PC, hold off on playing a SoP until you either need to play it or you have a spare or two on hand and just focus on getting your control lock in place.

An additional SoP is a pretty great mod for this deck IMO, but it's kinda hard to say exactly what should be removed for it. From the 2-NT version posted in the OP, I would personally recommend dropping one of the two purifies for the additional SoP, but there's arguments against that course of action elsewhere in the thread. One of the two NTs could also be an option, but I wouldn't personally drop any of the gravity cards.

thanks for the reply.. im still farming for this deck so i will have the results as soon as i have finished farming for the deck..
i just recommended the additional SoP coz i have troubles drawing it in other decks...

just another question, hw can i adjust in using the NT's? when and how to use it? im a little bit confused

While this'll vary a bit depending on the circumstances, most of the time you should play a NT (generally on a pendulum) somewhere in the mid game, i.e. whenever you have the water quanta for it and aren't struggling for gravity quanta. It's much higher priority to get a SoP, oty or two, and sofo or two in play in most cases. Once you've got your lockdown in place, the gravy nymph can drain whatever quanta they've got left and often get you EMs.

In some cases it can be worthwhile to play a nymph earlier even when you don't have a lockdown in place - some rainbows, low-quanta decks, decks having bad starts.

TL;DR - play it as soon as you have the water quanta to play it, but if you're not swimming in gravity quanta, keep in mind that you're losing 0.5 gravy quanta a turn when you play it, and that it costs 3 gravy quanta to activate each turn.

edit: crap, I didn't even notice this already got answered. Oh well. Time for coffee.

[runesword03]

i am having problems regarding stalls ( ,  ) and also poison decks with physalias...

any thoughts?

or am i just too noob to figure it out?

[laxnut90]

i am having problems regarding stalls ( ,  ) and also poison decks with physalias...

any thoughts?

or am i just too noob to figure it out?

You are absolutely correct, this deck has serious issues with poison and early creature control.  Ways to counter the poison weakness could be to add Gravity Nymphs for spamming black holes (healing) or by adding purify.

Unfortunately, even with these additions, this deck will still be extremely weak against poison, mono-air and reverse time.  If you find that platinum has a lot of these decks at the moment, I would suggest switching to a different plat farmer.  Currently, there are three main farmers I have been having success with on and off.

Poison Dials (best at making money since many wins are EM with increased max health)
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,45840.msg1031708.html#msg1031708

Stong Against: Mono-Air, Momentum, Poison, rushes, Creature Control

Weak against: Mass Healing (auto loss), Purify, Discord, Shard of Patience, Mono-Darkness


Refraction Index
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,46476.0.html

Strong against:  Rushes, Shard of Patience, Stalls, Mass Healing (Light or Life), Mono-Darkness, Creature Spams

Weak against:  Mono-Air, Momentum


Swallow

Strong against:  Stall Decks, Mass Healing, Miracle, Vampires

Weak against:  Mono-Air, Poison, Flying Titans, Reverse Time


Basically, if you are seeing a lot of Mono-Air and/or Creature Control, run poison dials.

If you are running into a lot of Mass Healing and/or decks with many creatures choose Refraction Index

If you want to deal with Mass Healing, but also need some Permanent/Creature Control, use Swallow


Here are some other farming decks if you are interested
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,45840.0.html

[SnoWeb]

Swallow
Strong against:  Stall Decks, Mass Healing, Miracle, Vampires
Weak against:  Mono-Air, Poison, Flying Titans, Reverse Time

This is absolutely wrong. The version I am running (which is the one shown in the OP) carries two purify and two nymph tears and handles very well poison decks. I play it in platinum and poison is not a problem. The deck is also able to handle the poison gods. The key is to remember to play your purify late. In fact you have to wait to be in control before you use your purify on yourself. Also a poisoned oty grow on under patience even when poisoned. You also forgot to say that Swallow is pretty strong against life, fire and if your draw is good air rushes. Something that keep killing me on the contrary is SoW based mono-aether and flying titans.

Refraction Index
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,46476.0.html
Strong against:  Rushes, Shard of Patience, Stalls, Mass Healing (Light or Life), Mono-Darkness, Creature Spams
Weak against:  Mono-Air, Momentum

I'll talk about that one here as it use the patient stall strategy. It is  a very good deck and very pleasurable. I personally play it with mind flayers to deal with Momentum.
However, I find it way weaker against poisoning than swallow. SoW based mono-aether are also an issue. The deck which is the ban to Refraction Index by the way is swallow.

Poison Dials (best at making money since many wins are EM with increased max health)
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,45840.msg1031708.html#msg1031708
Stong Against: Mono-Air, Momentum, Poison, rushes, Creature Control
Weak against: Mass Healing (auto loss), Purify, Discord, Shard of Patience, Mono-Darkness

Yeah. This deck is loved by the community. I find it boring but I agree it's efficient in platinum.
It got better since SoSa isn't free any more and does not screw the Mulligan. However, to compare it with swallow is weird. The to deck have opposite strategies and work in very different manners.
I'd suggest to talk about that deck on the appropriate topic.

i am having problems regarding stalls ( ,  ) and also poison decks with physalias...

Do not hesitate to loose your first oty eating the physalias. If you already have SoP you can even keep multiple poisoned otys till the estocade.
Purify yourself late (but not too late). When you have enough otys and SoFo the remaining poisoning will not go far.

Light-fire stall have never been a big deal for me. Remember just to keep one SoP for when the opponent runs out of PC. Let him destroy your pillars. At mid-game you'll anyway have enough gravity to play 2 SoFo together and then have one take his Fahrenheit out.

I hope I could help you.
Have fun and swallow everything.

[CuCN]

However, to compare it with swallow is weird. The to deck have opposite strategies and work in very different manners.
I'd suggest to talk about that deck on the appropriate topic.

laxnut's post was to compare the decks not by their strategy but by what they can be used against. The point was that depending on the meta, sometimes one  deck is more efficient against Plat and sometimes another one is.

[SnoWeb]

laxnut's post was to compare the decks not by their strategy but by what they can be used against. The point was that depending on the meta, sometimes one  deck is more efficient against Plat and sometimes another one is.

Why not compare it with a graboid rush then?

[Daffius]

I just wanted to take the opportuntiy to join others in heaping further praise on this deck build. It works like a charm, EM-ing silver is fun, I'm upgrading my full deck now.

[laxnut90]

laxnut's post was to compare the decks not by their strategy but by what they can be used against. The point was that depending on the meta, sometimes one  deck is more efficient against Plat and sometimes another one is.

Why not compare it with a graboid rush then?

I never found the Graboid Rush to be very effective against platinum.  I am trying to compare the three best platinum farming decks that I know of at the moment.  If you have found any other decks to be successful in platinum, please post them.  I would love to give some other decks a try.

Also, I realize now that I made a mistake listing poison as a weakness to swallow.  The version I have been running had no purifies (I was running 3 Gravy Nymphs instead).  Therefore, only my version was weak to poison.

[kaempfer13]

Inspired by your idea i made this deck:

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Its probably not even close as strong as yours and I am sure it can be improved, but it requires less rares and no upps and its also a tiny bit rushier.

[BunKeR]

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Inspired by your idea i made this deck:

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Its probably not even close as strong as yours and I am sure it can be improved, but it requires less rares and no upps and its also a tiny bit rushier.

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This is the list I've been running through PvP1 . I must say this is super fun to play . Cheers to SnoWeb !

[Jenkar]

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