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Re: Constructed Design Theory [Part 1:Resilience] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21809.msg296993#msg296993
« Reply #36 on: March 24, 2011, 01:59:28 am »
How goes this? Is Part 1 done?
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Re: Constructed Design Theory [Part 1:Resilience] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21809.msg297013#msg297013
« Reply #37 on: March 24, 2011, 02:22:54 am »
Quote from: Rutarete on March 24, 2011, 01:59:28 am
How goes this? Is Part 1 done?
No part one is not done yet. Midnar got too busy to return my PMs and I was not able to duplicate his results when I tried to derive it.

Although the values of his constants have not been confirmed, his structure seems accurate.

Resilience = Base Resilience relative to the prevalence of relevant Control in the metagame + Fraction of control that can affect it x Resilience to that control.

Resilience to HP control is a function of HP with a decreasing slope like a Log function.

However I am not sure what function to use or what to set the constants at.
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Re: Constructed Design Theory [Part 1:Resilience] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21809.msg301389#msg301389
« Reply #38 on: March 30, 2011, 11:21:50 am »
I'm fairly new to the metagame, but wouldn't those previously mentioned special cases normalize the values to some extent?  Unless the 'freeze', 'delay', 'reverse time', and 'invert attack' effects aren't used very often, I would think that might be the case.  -HP effects would be replaced by those effects when facing a higher HP creature in actual gameplay, so in my opinion, resilience would not increase so drastically from 5 to 6 HP.  Could resilience against special effects be quantified?

Anyhow, I love this thread, it's an excellent idea.
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Re: Constructed Design Theory [Part 1:Resilience] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21809.msg301444#msg301444
« Reply #39 on: March 30, 2011, 01:12:56 pm »
Quote from: Manipul8r on March 30, 2011, 11:21:50 am
I'm fairly new to the metagame, but wouldn't those previously mentioned special cases normalize the values to some extent?  Unless the 'freeze', 'delay', 'reverse time', and 'invert attack' effects aren't used very often, I would think that might be the case.  -HP effects would be replaced by those effects when facing a higher HP creature in actual gameplay, so in my opinion, resilience would not increase so drastically from 5 to 6 HP.  Could resilience against special effects be quantified?

Anyhow, I love this thread, it's an excellent idea.
You are right that since the only hp difference from 5-6 is against Lightning and Rage Potion that the increase should be minor.

HPUnupped Relative Resilience
1.70
2.85
3.95
41
51.15
61.20
101.30
151.60
So the resilience from 5->6 is 1.20/1.15=1.04 or a 4% increase in resilience

Unfortunately this numbers do not fit a significant amount of vanilla(no effect) creatures and thus are likely to be flawed.
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