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Re: Element Breakdown: Darkness https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22130.msg283627#msg283627
« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2011, 05:53:28 am »
^^
my aunt died of parasitic infection... so I might be biased, but they are evil...


(jk, but still, plenty of ppl die of parasitic infection, which makes parasites evil!!!)

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Re: Element Breakdown: Darkness https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22130.msg283630#msg283630
« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2011, 05:56:41 am »
to put it as simple as possible:
anything evil-looking belong to darkness
name one darkness card in game that doesn't look evil...
^^
my aunt died of parasitic infection... so I might be biased, but they are evil...


(jk, but still, plenty of ppl die of parasitic infection, which makes parasites evil!!!)
being evil ≠ looking evil
(everyone knows that being evil makes you look sexy?)

Re: Element Breakdown: Darkness https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22130.msg283633#msg283633
« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2011, 06:03:04 am »
let me rephrase that then...
anything evil fits into the element of darkness

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Re: Element Breakdown: Darkness https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22130.msg283634#msg283634
« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2011, 06:08:22 am »
Solitude/loneliness is often associated with  :darkness
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Re: Element Breakdown: Darkness https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22130.msg283636#msg283636
« Reply #16 on: March 05, 2011, 06:09:28 am »
Before this goes into another useless debate about what Darkness is, read THIS (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,10928.12.html).  It has been debated before, and I don't think anybody wants to see it rise again, since it almost always ends with somebody being called a name or something of the like.
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Re: Element Breakdown: Darkness https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22130.msg283838#msg283838
« Reply #17 on: March 05, 2011, 04:11:30 pm »
Eternal Suffering goes into :time / :fire. Thou hast no case in thine forum!
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Re: Element Breakdown: Darkness https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22130.msg283880#msg283880
« Reply #18 on: March 05, 2011, 05:05:15 pm »
This is going to sound weird, but when people say that darkness is evil, i'd rather say that in most cases it can be considered as a very "unpredictable" element when reffering to its morality.

this may be a lame example but still should be considered highly:

From DC comics, Batman is a well known hero, Yet he is a very dark hero, If you've noticed, He usually only lurks in the dark when fighting crime, perhaps marking his dominant strategy and trait, If he knows he has to actually kill someone for the sake of Justice or even his own views on it for being the best option in the given situation,
He would NEVER hesitate and just go on ahead.
(this makes Superman look like a wimp IMO, Which Is why i like batman)
However in some cases he has been shown to be more neutral, as in sometimes not wanting to help the justice league because of his different views. Morality never gets in the way of Batman's objective (again, anti-superman)
He may be very stubborn and can get quite abnoxious, but that stubborness and Abnoxiousness is also linked with his amazing genius level IQ, therefore possibly making him  one of the or even THE smartest hero in DC universe.
And his nature is based on that of a Dark one, unfriendly but extremely intelligent.

Therefore, I could relate this type of persona to  :darkness 

And therefore use this as an example in relation to why Labeling Darkness as "Evil" is just simply an irrational way of thinking, darkness has many properties than just being a stereotypical (invalid) sense of evil. Just because Darkness has its own perspective of things Just as Batman always has his own perspective of things, doesn't make it "Evil".

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Re: Element Breakdown: Darkness https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22130.msg285122#msg285122
« Reply #19 on: March 07, 2011, 01:54:13 am »
No offense, Nepycros, but your interpretation of Darkness is inconsequential in Elements. In the game, very few of the Darkness cards represent your view of emptiness and balance. Take Drain Life for example, it in fact CAN "overwhelm physical substance". If this is an analysis in terms of game mechanics related to Darkness, your interpretation is one of the least accurate I've seen. If you want to debate about the philosophical nature of Darkness, do so in the off-topic forum.

let me rephrase that then...
anything evil fits into the element of darkness
Fuck you. O RLY?! (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DarkIsNotEvil)

The reason that Darkness is stereotypically portrayed as evil is that it represents selfishness and the unknown. Darkness leeches what it wants from its opponents, a selfish act that is not inherently evil but is often perceived as such. People also fear the unknown, and will often label it as evil. It's a matter of simple psychology.

Anyone who claims that Darkness is evil does not understand Darkness. I pity them.
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Re: Element Breakdown: Darkness https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22130.msg285128#msg285128
« Reply #20 on: March 07, 2011, 01:59:17 am »
Ouch. ^ Spares no sympathy towards his debating opposites. Still, his interpretation is far better than mine. The profanity was a touch out of line, but understood. However, if the debate doesn't stop soon, then this topic will get locked by a moddy, so let's calm down.
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Re: Element Breakdown: Darkness https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22130.msg285146#msg285146
« Reply #21 on: March 07, 2011, 02:27:25 am »
LOL, looks like my batman example was pretty good after all, thanks to Bloodshadow's link to the article.  :P

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Re: Element Breakdown: Darkness https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22130.msg286122#msg286122
« Reply #22 on: March 08, 2011, 12:45:40 pm »
Again this sterile Good/Evil debate ... boring!

For me something that fits in darkness is fear. The fact that you can not clearly see what is silently moving in the shadow scares you. I think that this is a little under-developed in elements. I was really happy to see the card nightmare coming because it is the only card playing on this very aspect. However, sadly and even considering the recent buffs (HP drain and GotP) the card is still kind of weak. I know it's advertising one of my own ideas but I think the passive ability arachnid (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,21682.msg296447#msg296447) (not necessarily in the exact shape I proposed it) could do good to said card. The passive ability airborne, give some more interresting aspect to air without being limited to it. Passive ability like arachnid or others playing on the fear aspect could do the same for darkness. I would really like to see more darkness cards idea playing on the fear aspect.

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Re: Element Breakdown: Darkness https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22130.msg286541#msg286541
« Reply #23 on: March 08, 2011, 11:47:57 pm »
Again this sterile Good/Evil debate ... boring!

For me something that fits in darkness is fear. The fact that you can not clearly see what is silently moving in the shadow scares you. I think that this is a little under-developed in elements. I was really happy to see the card nightmare coming because it is the only card playing on this very aspect. However, sadly and even considering the recent buffs (HP drain and GotP) the card is still kind of weak. I know it's advertising one of my own ideas but I think the passive ability arachnid (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,21682.msg296447#msg296447) (not necessarily in the exact shape I proposed it) could do good to said card. The passive ability airborne, give some more interresting aspect to air without being limited to it. Passive ability like arachnid or others playing on the fear aspect could do the same for darkness. I would really like to see more darkness cards idea playing on the fear aspect.
No offense but:

Blue: Is the only thing you said that is relative to the point of this thread.

Red: Is absolutely non-related to the point of this thread as it is more related to the mechanics + concept of cards in the actual game. This is a discussion based on what Darkness is in other people's opinions and not so much on the game, at least thats how i see this thread.

(PS: Im sorry if you found this discussion as you describe "boring", but it seems you havent really made any arguments to prove why it is pointless to discuss)



 

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