Dreamweaver|Dreamcaster and Sleep Potion|Sleep Draught

[ninjamaster1991]

idea I had...

Dreamweaver|Dreamcaster
9 |8
Creature
0|1 | 0|2
3 : Target creature's attack is 0 for 3 turns|3 : Target creature's attack is 0 for 4 turns.

and

Sleep Potion|Sleep Draught
4 |4
Spell
Target creature's attack is 0 for 3 turns|Target creature's attack is 0 for 4 turns.

[ZephyrPhantom]

So, sort of like an Other Nymph and Other alchemy?
Sounds interesting as a method of soft CC though. Could this be countered by Adrenaline?

[ninjamaster1991]

Yes, it could. Makes use of this card:http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,24902.0.html (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,24902.0.html) Mono- insta-kill!

[OldTrees]

Other than costing random quanta instead of  and having synergy with the card below that might never enter the game and the target being able to use skills for those 3|4 turns, how is this different from Freeze/Squid?
Are the missed differences sufficient to make having both in the game be worth the added redundancy?

Yes, it could. Makes use of this card:http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,24902.0.html (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,24902.0.html) Mono- insta-kill!

[ninjamaster1991]

The  instead of the  makes it usable in a mono-[insert fave element here] deck, which doesn't have to be  . It's compensated for by being weaker and, also, it 's lack of attack power gives it auto-momentum. Should I give it immortality?

[OldTrees]

The  instead of the  makes it usable in a mono-[insert fave element here] deck, which doesn't have to be  . It's compensated for by being weaker and, also, it 's lack of attack power gives it auto-momentum. Should I give it immortality?

"The  instead of the  makes it usable in a mono-[insert fave element here] deck, which doesn't have to be  ."
Effects that should be available to every element are rare. This is not a convincing reason to suggest this card.
What makes including it worth the additional redundancy?

PS: No, do not give it immortality unless it fits the mechanical theme.

[ninjamaster1991]

It can give a creature temporary momentum to bypass shields while you Steal or Explode it away, and you can use its ability, like a Rustler and a Fire Shield.

[Manipul8r]

I had the same thought about freeze as I read the first one, but also thought it was similar to Iridium Warden's ability.

Being in a dream state could make it more vulnerable?  Maybe it could say: "While dreaming, it is killed if another status effect is applied."  Shockwave could also be reworded to instantly kill it along with frozen things.

[ninjamaster1991]

I had the same thought about freeze as I read the first one, but also thought it was similar to Iridium Warden's ability.

Being in a dream state could make it more vulnerable?  Maybe it could say: "While dreaming, it is killed if another status effect is applied."  Shockwave could also be reworded to instantly kill it along with frozen things.

So a conscious creature is expecting a RoF or Lightning at any time?

[Manipul8r]

I have not had that much experience in war and such, but I think killing a soldier that is fighting or at attention is significantly more difficult than killing a sleeping one.

Edit: I did not say damage, I just said status effect.

[OldTrees]

It can give a creature temporary momentum to bypass shields while you Steal or Explode it away, and you can use its ability, like a Rustler and a Fire Shield.

Is that limited additional usage worth having the additional redundancy in the game at this point with the small number of cards? Or is it better to suggest a less redundant card? PS: Arctic Squid can allow 1 skill use free from CC shields per 3 turns for a mere  per 3 turns.

[ninjamaster1991]

If you use it on a Rustler, it can't use its ability.