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Distortion Ray | Distortion Bolt https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=24902.msg317382#msg317382
« on: April 22, 2011, 01:35:29 am »
NAME:
Distortion Ray
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COST:
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TYPE:
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ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Target creature's ATK and DEF are switched.  Owner's HP is affected by twice the change in ATK
NAME:
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ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Target creature's ATK and DEF are switched.  Owner's HP is affected by twice the change in ATK
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If a creature has negative attack, and gets hit with this card, it then stays on the field until its next attack phase, after which it dies.  That means Antimatter+Distortion Bolt will kill any non-0 ATK creature.  Not much else to say about it; Flying Titans won't be particularly strong when you take 84 damage to get out a two card combo.

EDIT: the wording has slightly changed; the new explanation is here.  Owner refers to the owner of the targeted creature.  If I target my Elite Armagio, the change in attack would be 28, so I would take 56 damage.  If I targeted my opponent's Ruby Dragon, the change in attack would be -13, so he would be healed 26 points.  If I did it to my Ruby Dragon, I'd heal 26 points as well, whereas doing it to his Elite Armagio would make him take 56 damage.  Its a dangerous, versatile card.

I also call dibs on the name Blood Debt, making this a darkness card, and making the owner of the creature take the damage.  >:D
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Re: Distortion Ray | Distortion Bolt https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=24902.msg317388#msg317388
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2011, 01:38:36 am »
"The target creature's ATK and DEF are switched.  You take twice the damage equal to twice the change in attack."
The mechanic would work but might Entropy or Gravity (Gravity or Entropy) be a better fit for Atk/HP inversion?
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Re: Distortion Ray | Distortion Bolt https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=24902.msg317391#msg317391
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2011, 01:39:34 am »
Just wondering what combo would this be used with? because you take so much damage from the conversion? and flying titan + this is a 3 card combo.
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Re: Distortion Ray | Distortion Bolt https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=24902.msg317392#msg317392
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2011, 01:39:49 am »
Was doubling the damage necessary? I didn't find it gamebreaking at normal damage.

Either way, Ray makes me think of the laser meme. x)
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Re: Distortion Ray | Distortion Bolt https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=24902.msg317397#msg317397
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2011, 01:42:14 am »
Just wondering what combo would this be used with? because you take so much damage from the conversion? and flying titan + this is a 3 card combo.
Gravity creatures, Antimatter, Maxwell's Demon, Heavy Armor, Guardian Angel, Enemy's Huge dragons.

Was doubling the damage necessary? I didn't find it gamebreaking at normal damage.

Either way, Ray makes me think of the laser meme. x)
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PS: If this decreases the attack of an opposing monster you still take damage right? It always deals the user damage never heals correct?
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Re: Distortion Ray | Distortion Bolt https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=24902.msg317401#msg317401
« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2011, 01:44:51 am »
TStar made the point of Flying Titans.  I'm not sure how applicable it is; I really can't test it.  Twice may not be necessary at all.

Sevs, it would also work for Armagios, Massive Dragons, as well as soft CC for other cards such as Overdriven ________ and anything else.  Also, its too strong in Entropy, with those Demons and Antimatter.

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Re: Distortion Ray | Distortion Bolt https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=24902.msg317405#msg317405
« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2011, 01:48:01 am »
Was doubling the damage necessary? I didn't find it gamebreaking at normal damage.

Either way, Ray makes me think of the laser meme. x)
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Agreed with Higs - 42 damage is still not worth the Flying Titan if you ask me. Dragons and Armagio are strong enough an argument though.

"The target creature's ATK and DEF are switched.  You take twice the damage equal to twice the change in attack."
The mechanic would work but might Entropy or Gravity (Gravity or Entropy) be a better fit for Atk/HP inversion?
Tstar noted that Entropy already has a lot of strong cards. Also it should probably not be in Gravity to keep the Flying Titan combo a trio. I think it would be fine in entropy though since it'd be really expensive with Antimatter. Unsure about Demons - that would require playtesting.

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Re: Distortion Ray | Distortion Bolt https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=24902.msg317406#msg317406
« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2011, 01:50:47 am »
I would pay 48|56 damage for a 25|30 attack Armagio.
The x2 damage is worth it IMO.
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Re: Distortion Ray | Distortion Bolt https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=24902.msg317407#msg317407
« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2011, 01:50:51 am »
I know what effects it has. Being powerful is fine. It's not cheap to cast, and it's situational utility. If it's not gamebreaking, it's not broken. If it's not broken, don't fix it.
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Re: Distortion Ray | Distortion Bolt https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=24902.msg317408#msg317408
« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2011, 01:51:05 am »
TStar made the point of Flying Titans.  I'm not sure how applicable it is; I really can't test it.  Twice may not be necessary at all.

Sevs, it would also work for Armagios, Massive Dragons, as well as soft CC for other cards such as Overdriven ________ and anything else.  Also, its too strong in Entropy, with those Demons and Antimatter.

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No i understood what cards it should work with but with the whole double part, I couldnt see it being helpful when you take 56 damage to switch an armagio, not only leaving it very vulnerable but over half your life would be gone. this makes it an awful card to draw late when life is getting low. I was just wondering if you had thought of situations that made it better.
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Re: Distortion Ray | Distortion Bolt https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=24902.msg317574#msg317574
« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2011, 11:57:31 am »
The point is, having a 50 attack momentum creature, possibly quinted, is... worth the price. Just pack healing into a deck with Animate Weapons, Titans, Quints and this. Possibly TU. It's a duo deck, and you can probably get two momentumed 50-attack creatures for some damage pretty quick, while stalling with Dim Shields and SoGs. It's a GOOD combo.
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Re: Distortion Ray | Distortion Bolt https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=24902.msg317608#msg317608
« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2011, 01:44:35 pm »
1x the damage is enough. This card will be most effective at high-HP creatures, like Armagios or Flying Titans. in both cases, 2x damage means almost an instant kill. on most other creatures the change is not significant enough other than, for example, using this on an enemy Phoenix as CC, or any other creatures with 0 attack to make them spark-like (Bye bye nymphs!) and then again, why use CC that damages you anyway? 1x damage is enough.

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