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Re: Ask the New Idea Guru https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44181.msg1014335#msg1014335
« Reply #36 on: November 09, 2012, 06:40:11 pm »
Man things got slow up in here-Hey, basic spell card idea
Some way to stop drawing cards, either to force opponent into a stalemate, or to protect from deckout-
Possibly split into 2 cards, one for self use in exchange for some other benefit (Maybe an extra mark quanta per turn of not drawing a card?) As well as a version to use on the opponent to 'lock down' or at least give yourself the time to get a slow strategy going.
Thoughts?

Compare to Eternity/Rewind and Nightmare.

Eternity/Rewind has a similar exchange effect where they put you into a draw lock if you leave a creature vulnerable, but in exchange for that creature not being killed.

Nightmare does so as well by generating a hand full of the target creature.

That being said, I'd say the compensation for your effects would be to significantly raise the cost of your idea or generate more quanta for the target.

Dichromatic Butterfly
I think if there is a tie among highest quanta pools, it should generate 2/3 randomly among those tied.
The reason tie=no generation is to avoid Nova abuse. 1 Nova = 2 Butterflies, which leaves 1 quantum in 2 pools; perfect for an aggresive start as the butterflies would each generate 2 quanta. Rainbow rushes are powerful and this card is meant to encourage duo/trio builds.

BUT their mark will generate 1 quanta. Which would make the butterfly generate 1 mark quanta, that's it.
I am concerned there may be a broken combo with one of the rainbow-generation cards (Nova, Immolation) that I'm missing. Do you see pootential abuse between this + Nova or this + Immolation?

With Nova, not really.  It is really dependent on what the Moth drains.

With Immolation, perhaps.  It might overshadow Brimstone Eater, but definitely Ash Eater in Immo decks.

But this is dependent on there being no ties, which may actually seem harder than it is with a Rainbow.  That being said, I do not know how to gauge abuse when considering the RNG.

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Re: Ask the New Idea Guru https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44181.msg1014346#msg1014346
« Reply #37 on: November 09, 2012, 07:24:23 pm »
Dichromatic Butterfly
I think if there is a tie among highest quanta pools, it should generate 2/3 randomly among those tied.
The reason tie=no generation is to avoid Nova abuse. 1 Nova = 2 Butterflies, which leaves 1 quantum in 2 pools; perfect for an aggresive start as the butterflies would each generate 2 quanta. Rainbow rushes are powerful and this card is meant to encourage duo/trio builds.

BUT their mark will generate 1 quanta. Which would make the butterfly generate 1 mark quanta, that's it.
I am concerned there may be a broken combo with one of the rainbow-generation cards (Nova, Immolation) that I'm missing. Do you see pootential abuse between this + Nova or this + Immolation?

Nova + 2 Butterflies =
1 quanta in 2 random pools
+ 2 quanta to each of those pools
+ 1 mark quanta for either 4|3|0x10 (34/144) or 3|3|1|0x9 (110/144) quanta
4|3|0x10 (34/144) is 1 Mark + 2 Mark Pillars + non mark 2 Elemental Pillars of a random type for 1 Mark + 3 cards
3|3|1|0x9 (110/144) is 1 Mark + 2x2 non mark Elemental Pillars of random types for 1 Mark + 3 cards
Not worth the investment.

Immolation + 2 Butterflies ~=
41% 6 :fire + 1 quanta of 1 non fire type
2 Fire Pillars + 2 Mark Pillars (1/11 since the mark is not fire)
2 Fire Pillars + 2 non fire non mark pillars (10/11 since the mark is not fire)
38% 5 :fire + 1 quanta of 2 non fire types
On the third turn the butterfiles would see 5 :fire, 2 mark quanta and 2 irrelevant quanta. (90/121 since the mark is not fire)
or on the second turn they would see 5 :fire, 2 mark quanta and 1 irrelevant quanta. (31/121 since the mark is not fire)
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Re: Ask the New Idea Guru https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44181.msg1015318#msg1015318
« Reply #38 on: November 13, 2012, 05:19:56 am »
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Is the card correctly priced?

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Re: Ask the New Idea Guru https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44181.msg1015327#msg1015327
« Reply #39 on: November 13, 2012, 05:55:48 am »
Elemental Gem | Refined Elemental Gem

Is the card correctly priced?
If I have a full hand of 1 Elemental Gem and 7 Elemental cards, I pay 5 :rainbow (in a mono deck that is very close to 5 Mark quanta) to get 7 Mark quanta. Of course we could do Nova + Fractal + Elemental Gem x2 for 3 cards -> 12 Mark quanta turnaround. However I do not see it used without nova.
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Re: Ask the New Idea Guru https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44181.msg1016171#msg1016171
« Reply #40 on: November 17, 2012, 07:57:40 am »
Thoughts on a card called Avatar? Thematically, you summon a representation of your elemental.

This spell card sacrifices your starting mark card, 25% of your maximum health, and costs 10 of it's element.

It creates a creature that has high health and attack, which has a new and unique power for each element.
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Re: Ask the New Idea Guru https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44181.msg1016172#msg1016172
« Reply #41 on: November 17, 2012, 08:09:43 am »
Thoughts on a card called Avatar? Thematically, you summon a representation of your elemental.

This spell card sacrifices your starting mark card, 25% of your maximum health, and costs 10 of it's element.

It creates a creature that has high health and attack, which has a new and unique power for each element.

I feel as if I've seen an idea like this floating around the CIA a few times.  I'll have to dredge through the older pages...

Considering the effect, what incentive do you have to carry multiple of these?  An idea, as I've learned, should be viable even with multiple copies.  Also, the concept of "Hero" cards, from what I've seen, are not favoured here.  [Seeking appropriate link]

Also, how would it react with Parallel Universe?

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Re: Ask the New Idea Guru https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44181.msg1016179#msg1016179
« Reply #42 on: November 17, 2012, 08:31:04 am »
Hey Drake, may your guruship grow to be as wise and mighty as OT's!

On to the question: I agree with your point on how Flooding/Inundation feels like it should be a good card, but just plain isn't.

Would you agree with me that a reasonable way to balance it (and buff Water a bit, which needs it imho) would be to make it work on immaterial and/or burrowed creatures?
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Re: Ask the New Idea Guru https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44181.msg1016184#msg1016184
« Reply #43 on: November 17, 2012, 09:21:43 am »
Thoughts on a card called Avatar? Thematically, you summon a representation of your elemental.

This spell card sacrifices your starting mark card, 25% of your maximum health, and costs 10 of it's element.

It creates a creature that has high health and attack, which has a new and unique power for each element.

I feel as if I've seen an idea like this floating around the CIA a few times.  I'll have to dredge through the older pages...

Considering the effect, what incentive do you have to carry multiple of these?  An idea, as I've learned, should be viable even with multiple copies.  Also, the concept of "Hero" cards, from what I've seen, are not favoured here.  [Seeking appropriate link]

Also, how would it react with Parallel Universe?

I'm not really sure what is meant by hero card, since I don't really play card games. This is just a random idea I had based on the whole "your element is an elemental" thing. I suppose the main idea on getting one on the field is for a strong mono-element purpose. That would mean that the effects created would have strong synergies with multiple cards from it's element.

I think your only allowed to have one on your side of the field at a time, for balance purposes. PU and Fractal cannot target it. Casting a new one cost another 25% of your max health and 10 quanta of it's element. The idea for carrying multiple of it's card is to have backup for if it gets killed, since it'll be essential to whatever strategy it carries.

I think if it dies, you regain the mark card you sacrificed to summon it, allowing you to recast, but wait a turn to get it going.
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Re: Ask the New Idea Guru https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44181.msg1016191#msg1016191
« Reply #44 on: November 17, 2012, 09:59:41 am »
I think your only allowed to have one on your side of the field at a time, for balance purposes.
The problem with cards that only allow 1 copy (legendary, hero, avatar, ...) is that this ^ is not a balance tool. It does not impact balance despite its deceptive appearance. All it does is artificially limit the card pool versatility and disguise potential imbalance.
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Re: Ask the New Idea Guru https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44181.msg1016261#msg1016261
« Reply #45 on: November 17, 2012, 06:52:15 pm »
I think your only allowed to have one on your side of the field at a time, for balance purposes.
The problem with cards that only allow 1 copy (legendary, hero, avatar, ...) is that this ^ is not a balance tool. It does not impact balance despite its deceptive appearance. All it does is artificially limit the card pool versatility and disguise potential imbalance.

Ok, revision. Allow there to be multiple copies, or even different elemental's avatars on the field. But you need the additional mark cards to create them, as well as have to keep in mind how much health you have. The 25% of your maximum health is reactivated each time.

I'm also curious on how to proceed with the percentage of maximum health thing. Should it be:

Example A) Summons Avatar while at 100/100 Health. Health becomes 75/100

Example B) Summons Avatar while at 100/100 Health. Health becomes 75/75

Thematically your creating a representation of your elemental, so it's like your cutting a piece of yourself off.
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Re: Ask the New Idea Guru https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44181.msg1016451#msg1016451
« Reply #46 on: November 19, 2012, 01:03:45 am »
Thoughts on a card called Avatar? Thematically, you summon a representation of your elemental.

This spell card sacrifices your starting mark card, 25% of your maximum health, and costs 10 of it's element.

It creates a creature that has high health and attack, which has a new and unique power for each element.

I feel as if I've seen an idea like this floating around the CIA a few times.  I'll have to dredge through the older pages...

Considering the effect, what incentive do you have to carry multiple of these?  An idea, as I've learned, should be viable even with multiple copies.  Also, the concept of "Hero" cards, from what I've seen, are not favoured here.  [Seeking appropriate link]

Also, how would it react with Parallel Universe?

Shields tend to be suckish in multiples. The most no-expiration shields I've seen in a serious deck, as far as I can remember, is in a CCYB mod (3).
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Re: Ask the New Idea Guru https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44181.msg1016486#msg1016486
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