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[OldTrees]

Spoiler for Hidden:

So what should the stats/pricing of it be? I feel the pricing should be around 3-4 and the hp should be near 10. That also brings up the point of what should upping it change about it. More hp? Cheaper casting cost? Higher attack? Some or all of the above?

10 hp, 2|4 attack, cost 5-7 |4-6

You think 6|5 ? Isn't that a bit excessive? That's nearly 2 higher than my initial idea. I could lower the attack, but it's more of meant to act as a protector or guardian, so it's attack isn't that important.

I am assuming that the player will be taking advantage of guardian effect to protect multiple other creatures.
I put those ranges because I am not sure of the pratical strength of the effect. It might be 5 |4

If quint costs 4|3 , this card acts as a psuedoquint for about 2 (you rarely see so many creatures that hexagonal protection would be usefl). A psuedoquint would probably half to 3/4th the cost of a quint to me, and then you double that, and then add on a bit more cost for stats, so I think a 4|3 sounds reasonable. 5|4 as well. Either way, I see cost hovers around 3-5 .

Now then some actual implementation questions:
What if two guardians both guard a creature and your opponent targets the creature? Who gets hit? The first guardian played?
If two guardians guard protect each other, and your opponent targets one, who gets hit? The first guardian played?
Will there be something like "layers" of protection with each guardian you play?

Maybe also when upped, it gains a bit more attack at a more expensive price. I wanted it to seem like a phalanx, protective yet also able to deal damage. Or the other way around. An expensive phalanx like creature unupped, cheap (like minor phoenix) guardian creature upped?

Wait. I made the Voodoo/Armagio mistake again. I counted the hp and the skill separately despite only one providing benefit at a time.
10hp, 2|4 attack, 4 |4 is accurate.

I think having the senior (lower slot) guardian would take the damage. If 2 guardians are damaged then the lower slot takes all the damage. If 2 guardians guard the same slot then the lower slot takes the damage. Yes it would be possible for a non adjacent guardian to end up with the damage. [Guardians in slots 2 and 6. A creature in slot 11 would take damage. Instead the guardian in slot 2 takes the damage.]

[furballdn]

Yes, that sounds more reasonable. 4|4 for a 2/4 atk 10hp creature. As soon as I can find some card art I'll make the card idea.

[ZephyrPhantom]

Do you feel Essence Wyrm needs a "Minimum ATK | HP" cap to it's stats?

[Absol]

Can you comment on this about the card's balance? http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,41945.msg520631.html#msg520631
Thank you.

[OldTrees]

Do you feel Essence Wyrm needs a "Minimum ATK | HP" cap to it's stats?

Perhaps a minimum of 1|1 or 0|0. Negative hp does not exist after all. Beyond that I do not see much of a purpose to restricting the cost.

Can you comment on this about the card's balance? http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,41945.msg520631.html#msg520631
Thank you.

Assume we have two players with enough quanta to use 1 Fractal and play at least 8 copies of any card that costs 3 quanta. Both players have only Fractal in their hand.
Player 1 has only 1 Flesh Spider on the field.
Player 2 has only 1 Clock on the field.

Both players cast Fractal and proceed to play the 8 copies of creatures they got from it.
Player 1 now has 9 Flesh Spiders on the field.
Player 2 now has 9 Clocks on the field.

If this was an unupped-only game:
Player 1 has paid 2 Cards + 10+all + 27 to get 9*3 = 27 damage.
Player 2 has paid 2 Cards + 10+all + 27 to get 9*(2+9) = 99 damage.

If this was an upped-only game:
Player 1 has paid 2 Cards + 9+all + 27 to get 9*6 = 48 damage.
Player 2 has paid 2 Cards + 9+all + 27 to get 9*(3+9) = 108 damage.

Clock deals quadratic (aX²+bX) rather than linear (aX) damage with respect to the number of creatures.

4/9 Flesh Spiders deal 12|27 damage per turn and 4/9 Flesh Recluses deal 24|54 damage per turn.
What if 4/9 Clocks (unupped) dealt 12|27 damage per turn and 4/9 Clocks (upped) dealt around 24|54 damage per turn?
Now obviously that is impossible because the 3 points (0,0 4,12 and 9,27) define a quadratic function that happens to be linear. However we can get close with 0.25X²+X | 0.25X²+4X
Aka 1|4 attack. Gains +1 per 4 clocks. I would remove the "can't be delayed" and add a sacrifice ability instead to buff the non fractal usage.

[ZephyrPhantom]

Just throwing this one out here:
Would it be possible to dump all the Armory cards into the game and have ETG remained balanced?

[OldTrees]

Just throwing this one out here:
Would it be possible to dump all the Armory cards into the game and have ETG remained balanced?

The vast majority of Armory cards are balanced. However some are not. It is similar to how most cards in game are balanced but some are not. No armory card is more imbalanced than cards already in game.

So, yes?

[Captain Scibra]

Could use an opinion of this please. Prowler | Prowler

[OldTrees]

Could use an opinion of this please. Prowler | Prowler

1) I am not sure if Life should be king of Lethal CC.
2) Did you forgot Guard on your list?
3) The effect is too potent to be played so early. I would recommend higher cost and stats.
4) Its effect is kill any target creature with more attack than hp, or has less than 6 hp.
This means almost all creatures that are not  / or the rare Nymph. (<- More of a statement than an opinion)
In this sense it is on par with Earth Nymph.
5) Prowling has impact, but not much. If it gets the higher cost and stats, then Prowling could be removed without anyone noticing.

[Daguerreo]

I guess Atlantis's Protection would be a good example of "mitigation" about your protection cards thread

[OldTrees]

I guess Atlantis's Protection would be a good example of "mitigation" about your protection cards thread

Yes. Atlantis's Protection (good card, people should check it out) still permits PC but requires the opponent to use more PC to achieve the same effect. Since it is reducing the efficiency but not stopping the effect it is classified as "Mitigation".

[Drake_XIV]

Can I get your thoughts on the revised Energy Wyrm?