An anitshadow nymph FG deck

[BluePriest]

THIS IS THE NEW DECK IM TESTING OUT. THE PILLARS ARENT UPGRADED CAUSE I DONT HAVE THE ELECTRUM

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HERES MY OLD DECK

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Right now really the only 2 problems Im running into is getting a purple nymph in time, and getting enough quanta for my shields. Any suggestions?

[unionruler]

Grr you're trying to combine two anti FG strategies into one deck. One of the main problems with this deck is that although you have an eternity, you aren't necessarily able to rewind enough with 7 quantum towers, enough meaning enough for the nymphomania part of the deck to take effect. One suggestion that I have is that perhaps you should convert to a timebow--take a few more cards so you have more time to generate quanta, which of course will help with the rewinding part. You may want to consider taking 2 SoRs, one for each nymph. Let me try to adjust your deck accordingly:

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-6 supernova, +8 quantum tower, +2 electrum hourglass, +2 SoR, +1 Improved Miracle (?)

Not sure really you might be better off taking one bone wall, one more SoG, one improved antimatter or even two unupped sundials in place of the miracle. Or perhaps depending on your quanta needs you can just take one SoR and decide which nymph it should be played on, and then take one bone wall.

You might actually want to consider doing some research on nymphomania with SoRs, which is something I am actively looking into now although I haven't publicized any results yet. Do try and calibrate this, it's certainly worth exploring even if in the end you're unlikely to yield a win% comparable to say more established anti FG rainbows.

[BluePriest]

Grr you're trying to combine two anti FG strategies into one deck. One of the main problems with this deck is that although you have an eternity, you aren't necessarily able to rewind enough with 7 quantum towers, enough meaning enough for the nymphomania part of the deck to take effect. One suggestion that I have is that perhaps you should convert to a timebow--take a few more cards so you have more time to generate quanta, which of course will help with the rewinding part. You may want to consider taking 2 SoRs, one for each nymph. Let me try to adjust your deck accordingly:

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-6 supernova, +8 quantum tower, +2 electrum hourglass, +2 SoR, +1 Improved Miracle (?)

Not sure really you might be better off taking one bone wall, one more SoG, one improved antimatter or even two unupped sundials in place of the miracle. Or perhaps depending on your quanta needs you can just take one SoR and decide which nymph it should be played on, and then take one bone wall.

You might actually want to consider doing some research on nymphomania with SoRs, which is something I am actively looking into now although I haven't publicized any results yet. Do try and calibrate this, it's certainly worth exploring even if in the end you're unlikely to yield a win% comparable to say more established anti FG rainbows.

SoRs would be a good addition... I didnt even think of thatl. Im not that big on 3 card combos, but I suppose it would be inevitable. Puppychows deck (which I based this on) only uses 7 quantum towers to pull off rewinding eternity. Or did you mean rewinding another creature to stay alive?

Bonewalls i really dont like all that much. I just dont find them all that reliable. id almost always prefer a Permafrost. Only good when combined with 2 firestorms, as 1 usually isnt enough to kill the Gods its actually more useful than a permafrost on.

I do like the timebows more, even though they arent as fast. Ill look into all that stuff

[yaladilae]

I will give you one of my very well tweaked deck as a point of refrence for you to work on
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,5539.0.html

And here, I will give you some of my notes
Entrophy bow never will provide enough quanta to power the nymph after a few shot
The stalling of entropybow is not long term enough
The nymphs are godness, once they are out, you dont need anything else

Now back to your deck specficly
You wont want bonewall, but instead maybe a fog shield for early defense or a phase shield for extra turns
If you can get SoR, great, if not, a lone tower here or there would help great as well, play around with it

Sometimes when I work on my decks, I like to use 3 quinted creatures and 1 cheap things, as a basic rainbow. For your deckI would suggest an earth nymph to lock things down, since hes is the most efficent to lock things. With the creature coming out the time buble with extra 20hp this would make it perfect for your vampire antimatter combo!

Play around with it, and have fun!
Let me know if you need more help

[BluePriest]

Do you think it would be feesable to replace the otys with the to auburn nymphs I have? Or do you think they would take too long to get going to actively block the creatures?I want it to be least like the traditional fg rainbow as possible, and i also wanted to take advantage of the synergy between purple and black nymph

[yaladilae]

Do you think it would be feesable to replace the otys with the to auburn nymphs I have? Or do you think they would take too long to get going to actively block the creatures?I want it to be least like the traditional fg rainbow as possible, and i also wanted to take advantage of the synergy between purple and black nymph

The thing is, you antishadow stuff for damage
And you eat them, that doesnt make much sense to me in the first place

Nymph would be slow, but sundial can buy you enough time to spread out the quantum gain you need.

Play around with it more =)

[Lluis83]

Hi, I have a similar deck, and first it look like yours.

I ended with this http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,7130.msg84213#msg84213


At first I used Otys, but then I see that if you have purple nymphs is better Mind Flasher than otys. Why? Because it is faster to play (two quanta against five) and don't kill the enemy so , you can antimatter, vampirize then, and it deals with the threads in a better way, it can quit momentum from geminis dragons, so you can antimatter them, it can stop growing creatures without having to reduce his HP with firestorms. It can deal with Flying Queen in a better way than a Oty, because a lobotimized Flying Queen is no dangerous anymore. With Oty, you have to play Oty and reduce the HP of Flying Queen, it is slower. Also against Osiris is better, because is faster to lobotomize his Pharaoh. The same for Osiris. And against Morte and Incarnate, you can stop his retrovirus, without letting him to create an army of skeletons because you don't have to kill his creatures. Against Scorpio it can stop physalias and fishes and oty is venomized if does. Also against goods with rays of light, lobotomize them, means they can't play miracle, game is faster.

Another advantatge is that you have this creature to rewind, and also you can play butterflie effect on it.

The only goods that with Oty and Purple Nymph is better combination is Ferox, but you are going to win anyway with Oty or without it, and Hermes, and it is a difficult god with Mind Flasher, but anyway with purple nymph based deck is a god that you are going to lose most of games.

I have added a lot of thinks to stall, to make time to play the nymps and play it.

The suggestion of Unionruler are very good, I first tried with entropy version, it is faster but it is less consistant an ended with a time version with hourglasses.

[unionruler]

SoRs would be a good addition... I didnt even think of thatl. Im not that big on 3 card combos, but I suppose it would be inevitable. Puppychows deck (which I based this on) only uses 7 quantum towers to pull off rewinding eternity. Or did you mean rewinding another creature to stay alive?

Bonewalls i really dont like all that much. I just dont find them all that reliable. id almost always prefer a Permafrost. Only good when combined with 2 firestorms, as 1 usually isnt enough to kill the Gods its actually more useful than a permafrost on.

I do like the timebows more, even though they arent as fast. Ill look into all that stuff

Puppychow's deck doesn't need to rewind that many times before it pulls of a kill. I reckon that your deck probably takes longer because it uses the antishadow effect as its primary form of damage. I think you've come across the formula E(X)=np for binomial distribution before, 7 quantum towers are expected to lose you 1.25  quanta per turn of rewinding. At the end of the day, the reason why I like to take a bonewall is because we fight FGs for electrum. There isn't much point in spending a lot of time to win if the win% isn't gonna be that great--EM is really lucrative at 120 coins. Of course I can't say anything definitively because I haven't tested this deck, but it's just a personal preference. Same reason why I used to take an improved miracle in my RoL-Hope--sacrifices ~2% of win% but gains at least 10% EM rate.

Yeah timebows are great once you survive the initial rush, as quanta flow and deckout are no longer problematic. Only thing is they have needed to be calibrated better since the hourglass nerf in 1.21.

[BluePriest]

This is my new current deck. I dont lke Rofs, just out of personal preference. Im trying to stay away from most things that define the classic fg rainbow.

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[yaladilae]

This is my new current deck. I dont lke Rofs, just out of personal preference. Im trying to stay away from most things that define the classic fg rainbow.

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Gravity shield + 2 auburn = EPIC....

[BluePriest]

This is my new current deck. I dont lke Rofs, just out of personal preference. Im trying to stay away from most things that define the classic fg rainbow.

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Gravity shield + 2 auburn = EPIC....

That is a very good point... Ill have to experiment with that

[BluePriest]

Strategy doesn't work as well as I thought it would. Auburn nymph takes too long to set up using quantum pillars. in fact, this decks biggest problem is that it relies on quantum pillars. Ive been testing a few things, and right now, I have a changed variation that i am using. Updated the OP with it. I still run into the problem of not getting the quanta for the shields since they are so expensive. If I found a way to fix this, and I got a second purple nymph, then I think this deck would end up very good.