What to do

[GeniugG]

Ok guys i think i'm not doing that bad. Read tons of stuff on this forum and it really helps. But when it comes to FG i really s*ck.

This is my deck

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i have been working around in the arena and so far so good.
I still use the old SG version to fight FG but it works so bad....
I don't know what to do..
I mean i easily can grind AI3 but it gets boring and with 10 EC it is so slow...Arena now is kind of fun but EC is to low...
and FG i can't beat... so what to do

[Higurashi]

Welp, this is a different issue than needing help with your deck. You see, you can't reliably rush FG's. Your deck is a rush. So to take them on, you need a dedicated FG killer. I would recommend this topic for the best ones and aim for Flay 'Em or RoL/Hope as your first FG killer: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,25609.0.html
(mostly unupped RoL/Hope here: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14533.0.html)

[Chapuz]

Higu is right on her point. What you should do is make a semi unupgraded (6 cards upped) FG grinder, and start winning upgraded cards with that.
I recommend you trying Limitless Speed because it has the same pros and less cons than Flay EM (it was based on Flay EM), and it's also faster than RoL-Hope.

[Silver]

No that's not true at all. I recommend you give Flay Em a shot first because it has several advantages over Chapuz' deck.

-It can be run entirely unupped
-It has Mind Flayers for Control
-Miracle
-Pulverizers (Limitless has no PC)

[regen2k9]

Also if you're using a grabbow (the deck you posted) you should cut it down to 30 cards for more reliable and consistent rushes, though like the others have said, you can't rush fgs.  Grabbow is still great for ai3 and pvp though (and it has tested pretty decently for bronze too).

[Chapuz]

No that's not true at all. I recommend you give Flay Em a shot first because it has several advantages over Chapuz' deck.
-It can be run entirely unupped
-It has Mind Flayers for Control
-Miracle
-Pulverizers (Limitless has no PC)

- I was talking about 6-upped decks
- Mind Flayers only help against Akebono, if it does. FG's momentum isn't enough to reach 100 HP by the time the combo is completed (Talking about Gemini, because Dark Matter is auto lose without sanctuary)
- Permanents are not an issue in limitless speed, and Deflags can't be stopped with anything but PA.

Advantages:
- Doesn't lose against massive healing FGs, like Miracle, before decking out. In fact, it doesn't deck out.
- Doesn't suffer from late-comming creatures OR quints.
- Doesn't lose against CC

[Silver]

I'm not saying its superior to your deck in every way, but saying that it has "the same pros and less cons" is plainly incorrect and simply rude to Amilir.

*Also I would dispute those points you made further, but no need to have an argument.

[Chapuz]

I'm not saying its superior to your deck in every way, but saying that it has "the same pros and less cons" is plainly incorrect and simply rude to Amilir.

I actually think it's like that, and I'm not rude at all to Amilit because I based my deck on his and I give credit for that.
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[furballdn]

Why'd you stick the two shards in the antagonbow? It doesn't look like it'll help you that much and only serves to make your deck not 30 cards.

[Higurashi]

A little bit of healing goes a very long way in a controlbow like Antagonbow. Between lots of CC and Fog Shield, it really lets you survive alternate damage sources well, such as Poison.

However, the usual choice would be Sanctuary. Antagonbow uses no and Sanc protects against Black Hole and Nightmare. That does matter.
Nevertheless, the point stands that Antagonbow is a rushy controlbow, and that 30 cards optimizes draws. Normally I swap one Momentum for Sanc, but if you're going to use it against Bronze (which is your best bet for rares with your card base), I wouldn't do that. There are tons of Monoaethers in Bronze, so you definitely need many ways around Dimensional Shields.