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Purifying Liquid Dragons for bronze https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48904.msg1065402#msg1065402
« on: May 01, 2013, 12:10:08 pm »
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So the plan is to make my dragons into vampires so they heal me obviously and then purify them so they heal themselves constantly (at this point fairly resilient to CC). The problem im facing is quanta balance (the quantum pillars are place holders), what mark to use and well overall balance really.
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Re: Purifying Liquid Dragons for bronze https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48904.msg1065406#msg1065406
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2013, 12:56:55 pm »
With their high HP you don't need the purys. You can fit other darknedd cards, like Steals, and play with pendulums jnstead of quantum pillars
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Re: Purifying Liquid Dragons for bronze https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48904.msg1065408#msg1065408
« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2013, 01:15:07 pm »
Given that the quantum pillars there will only produce 3 types of quanta you can use, and the high cost of the dragons, you'll be lucky to get a dragon out before you're dead.  Also, given that since purify will keep your creatures alive from liquid shadow, the hp of the dragon is only needed to resist opposing removal.  Anyway, mostly for quanta balance reasons I'd suggest something much simpler like this:

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The dragons hit just as hard as the light ones, and purify will keep them from dying to liquid shadow.  The darkness pillars and mark of water means you won't be quanta screwed like you will be 99% of the time with the quantum pillar build.  You could even try to do it with water pillars, water dragons, and a darkness mark, but I don't think that the quanta balance would work as well there, and the only reason I'd even consider that would be if you upgraded the dragons, the water ones have 13 attack, but unupgraded, I'd definitely do it with darkness dragons.

edit: if you wanted to try Chapuz' idea, it could look something like this:

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I don't like the quanta balance on that one as much as the darkness/water one, but hopefully you'll get some ideas for how you want to build it yourself.

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Re: Purifying Liquid Dragons for bronze https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48904.msg1065439#msg1065439
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2013, 03:33:42 pm »
These are all good points, but I'd probably err on the side of light/dark with light dragons rather than water/dark with dark dragons, cause bronze is pretty well packed with CC a lot of the time (including no shortage of thunderbolts).

If you're really worried about healing your dragons (which you don't really need to worry about I don't think, but still) you could add a couple of the oft-ignored holy lights, which would double as self-healing in some cases in case you really wanted that extra 10 electrum from getting an EM.

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Re: Purifying Liquid Dragons for bronze https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48904.msg1065528#msg1065528
« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2013, 08:55:26 pm »
It says in the post, "the quantum pillars are placeholders"

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Re: Purifying Liquid Dragons for bronze https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48904.msg1065530#msg1065530
« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2013, 08:58:44 pm »
It says in the post, "the quantum pillars are placeholders"

Heh, I totally missed that :p  Even so, I think turning it into a duo of some sort is probably a better idea anyway.  I can't think of any combination of pillars/pendulums/nova/etc that would make me happy with that deck.

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Re: Purifying Liquid Dragons for bronze https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48904.msg1065534#msg1065534
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2013, 09:03:53 pm »
i like it. nice and simple.
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Re: Purifying Liquid Dragons for bronze https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48904.msg1065638#msg1065638
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2013, 01:35:34 am »
It says in the post, "the quantum pillars are placeholders"

thanks for noticing, i was about to scream haha


The dragons hit just as hard as the light ones, and purify will keep them from dying to liquid shadow.  The darkness pillars and mark of water means you won't be quanta screwed like you will be 99% of the time with the quantum pillar build.  You could even try to do it with water pillars, water dragons, and a darkness mark, but I don't think that the quanta balance would work as well there, and the only reason I'd even consider that would be if you upgraded the dragons, the water ones have 13 attack, but unupgraded, I'd definitely do it with darkness dragons.


the black dragons do have an equal attack but just a single lightning will take it out and if i dont have a purify it'll die in five turns, the light dragon also upgrades better


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im running with this atm but its not right yet, still working on it
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Re: Purifying Liquid Dragons for bronze https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48904.msg1065693#msg1065693
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2013, 04:47:18 am »
Why do you want purify so badly?  Blessings, giving you 3atk and HP, should be enough considering the Light dragons already high HP. Alternatevily, you could put in some guardian angels. 2-3 should be enough to heal your dragons.
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Re: Purifying Liquid Dragons for bronze https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48904.msg1065695#msg1065695
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2013, 04:59:25 am »
Why do you want purify so badly?  Blessings, giving you 3atk and HP, should be enough considering the Light dragons already high HP. Alternatevily, you could put in some guardian angels. 2-3 should be enough to heal your dragons.

blessing is good but my dragons are still slowly dieing and guardian angels are good but the deck will loose focus. as far as i can see purify is the only way to fully solve the problem of the poison liquid shadow inflicts. as soon as i use liquid shadows my dragons become a top priority to AIs and if i cant protect them from it i loose my only attack and healing and purify does that the best, i just cant balance it
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Re: Purifying Liquid Dragons for bronze https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48904.msg1065696#msg1065696
« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2013, 05:10:52 am »
How will Guardian Angels make the deck lose focus? They add an in-element way to keep your dragons from dying, instead of needing a third element (which, as has been said, is hard to balance). The deck is still about vampire dragons that don't die to the poison.

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Re: Purifying Liquid Dragons for bronze https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48904.msg1065697#msg1065697
« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2013, 05:13:02 am »
How will Guardian Angels make the deck lose focus? They add an in-element way to keep your dragons from dying, instead of needing a third element (which, as has been said, is hard to balance). The deck is still about vampire dragons that don't die to the poison.

you may have a point, could you post a deck image?
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