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Please help me choose a anti FG deck. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18887.msg240789#msg240789
« on: January 05, 2011, 04:26:02 am »
Currently I'm looking to make some electrum and so I've decided to step up from t50 farming onto FG farming. Problem is, I have no idea which deck to pick.
I've browsed through the archives and selected the 3 which interest me most.

CCYB (obviously)
Shak'ars Revenge
And good ol' RoL/Hope

I have all the rares/shards neccessary for these but will most likely be lacking electrum for upgrades with 6701 electrum and 12 upgraded (sellable) cards.
I could probably raise a few 1000 by selling some rares/nymphs if I'm desperate.

I'm looking for a deck which well get me fast cash but not destroy my score.

From what I've gathered

CCYB has the best win rate but games are quite slow.
Shak'ars Revenge is fast but has a low win rate.
RoL is in between with fast speed but a mid win rate.

Which to choose and what variant of that deck should I be using?
(So many variants of those 3 decks...  ???)

Main question
If you were to start farming FGs again what deck would you use?

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Re: Please help me choose a anti FG deck. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18887.msg240793#msg240793
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2011, 04:30:57 am »
Start with SG's un-upgraded deck. From there, you can slowly transition to CCWB, as the two share a decent number of cards in common. An un-upgraded version of CCWB won't work very well.

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Re: Please help me choose a anti FG deck. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18887.msg240794#msg240794
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2011, 04:31:33 am »
Start with SG's un-upgraded deck. From there, you can slowly transition to CCWB, as the two share a decent number of cards in common. An un-upgraded version of CCWB won't work very well.
He could just do RoL/Hope  ::).

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Re: Please help me choose a anti FG deck. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18887.msg240906#msg240906
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2011, 11:01:23 am »
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I have all the rares/shards neccessary for these but will most likely be lacking electrum for upgrades with 6701 electrum and 12 upgraded (sellable) cards.
I could probably raise a few 1000 by selling some rares/nymphs if I'm desperate.

I'm looking for a deck which well get me fast cash but not destroy my score.

From what I've gathered

CCYB has the best win rate but games are quite slow.
Shak'ars Revenge is fast but has a low win rate.
RoL is in between with fast speed but a mid win rate.

Which to choose and what variant of that deck should I be using?
(So many variants of those 3 decks...  ???)
Never ever sell Nymphs. If you're in desperate need for some :electrum, rather grind AI1 than sell a Nymph.

CCYB win rate ~50%, average time of game ~7-10 mins.
RoL/Hope win rate ~49%, average time of game ~3-5 mins.
More detailed stats. (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,11944.0.html)

Hard to choose...  :-X

MrMojo

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Re: Please help me choose a anti FG deck. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18887.msg240912#msg240912
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2011, 11:13:19 am »
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I have all the rares/shards neccessary for these but will most likely be lacking electrum for upgrades with 6701 electrum and 12 upgraded (sellable) cards.
I could probably raise a few 1000 by selling some rares/nymphs if I'm desperate.

I'm looking for a deck which well get me fast cash but not destroy my score.

From what I've gathered

CCYB has the best win rate but games are quite slow.
Shak'ars Revenge is fast but has a low win rate.
RoL is in between with fast speed but a mid win rate.

Which to choose and what variant of that deck should I be using?
(So many variants of those 3 decks...  ???)
Never ever sell Nymphs. If you're in desperate need for some :electrum, rather grind AI1 than sell a Nymph.

CCYB win rate ~50%, average time of game ~7-10 mins.
RoL/Hope win rate ~49%, average time of game ~3-5 mins.
More detailed stats. (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,11944.0.html)

Hard to choose...  :-X
Wow, I was always under the impression that CCYB was the FG killing deck-Silly me :-[
Care to post your RoL/Hope Decklist please  :P

zse

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Re: Please help me choose a anti FG deck. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18887.msg240917#msg240917
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2011, 11:30:36 am »
Code: [Select]
6rn 6rn 6rn 6rn 7jp 7jp 7jp 7jp 7jp 7jp 7jq 7jq 7k2 7k3 7k4 7k4 7k4 808 808 808 808 80e 80e 80e 80i 80i 80i 80i 80i 80i 81q 81q 81q 81q 81qI have to admit that getting almost 50% wins was back in version 1.24. The minor nerfs on SoG and Fractal have influenced on decks performance little bit, but I think it didn't affected as much as people first feared. I haven't used RoL/Hope much lately, because playing almost 1000 games with it felt enough.

funplay

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Re: Please help me choose a anti FG deck. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18887.msg240919#msg240919
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2011, 11:33:51 am »
I did, what wave dash proposed...I used SGs unupped, slowly upped that deck and once i had it mostly upped + 6 SNs  i switched to CCYB (with my own minor changes)...

Regardless what deck you choose, your score will suffer...you will simply loose more games when facing FGs. If your really much into score hunting, AI3 is simply better

Doing some stats on my CCYB it right now (work in progress), i would say CCYB is a bit above that mentioned 51%, though not much (im at at 55% atm, but thats not normalized and only 45 games)

But i think there are two good ways (i have absolutely no experience with RoL/Hope on my own, so i might be wrong!):

1) SGs unupped -> upp that -> choose your own style rainbow (e.g. CCYB, Moar drawz)
Pros: a lot of cards from your starter deck can be used in the upped, final version
Cons: SGs unupped had for me an estimated (didnt do stats) win rate of about 30%...and its quite slow

2) RoL/Hope -> upp that completely -> farm enough to build the FG-Killer of your choice
Pros: only RoLs are really needed to be upped, easy strategy, fast games
Cons: no synergy if you want to go for a rainbow FG Killer, so you might have to use RoL/Hope for quite some time

I have the feeling that RoL/Hope a bit more auto-quit gods, but i didnt really verify this...

I wouldnt go for voodoo dolls from the beginning, as it simply works MUCH better when fully upped (tried an unupped version...didnt like that at all, though i had some wins against FGs) AND there are really many cards that are not THAT useful in other decks...

If i started again, I would probably try RoL/Hope, as it seems faster...

Just my 2 cents...

Edit: IF you are interested in variants, this is the SG unupped version i started with:

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4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4vm 52n 52r 592 5c6 5c6 5oj 5ro 5rp 5rp 5rp 5rp 5rp 5rp 5up 5up 61t 61t 61t 61t 621 621 621 74b 74b 7q5 7q5 7q5 7q5
Its even slower as the original (bigger), but it felt a bit more stable, as i added additional dim shields...removed RoF, as it didnt change my winning rate much. By the time i had enough quanta to play RoF, i either had my defenses already set up -> RoF was simply a nice bonus OR i was already dead, cause i didnt draw a dim shield/enough sundials.

The third quint allows you to protect oty, ffq AND elf, so if you survive long enough (dim shields ftw!), then you can be sure that your mutants will win the game...

And this is the CCYB variant i prefer atm:

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6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6rn 6rn 6rn 6rn 6rn 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u7 6u7 77f 77f 77i 7ai 7dq 7dq 7gp 7gp 7n3 7q5 7q5 7q5 80h 80h 80i
Only minor changes:

Improved heal insted of miracle: For me, miracle wasnt the live saver its meant to be...if i was in a position that i actually needed the miracle, it often only bought me 1-2 turns, as the FG was really well developed...but improved heal buys a single turn if needed sometimes, BUT i makes EMs much easier (atm about 60% of my wins are EMs)

1 Protect artifact instead of 6th Shard: If you cant win with 5 shards, you cant win with 6 either...most of the time i have enough shards in the beginning...but that single protect artifact made some games much easier, though its a dead card against some gods...but these are mostly easy anyway with CCYB...i simply feel better if gods like Decay cant steal my permafrost  ...


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Re: Please help me choose a anti FG deck. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18887.msg240941#msg240941
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2011, 12:22:53 pm »
Ugh...
I'm still shaky on what deck to choose.
(Don't want to waste my hard earned electrum!  :'()
If you were to start farming FGs again what deck would you use?

Ty for replies.
Greatly appreciated, you're saving a noobs precious moneys  :P

funplay

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Re: Please help me choose a anti FG deck. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18887.msg240978#msg240978
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2011, 02:22:29 pm »
Ugh...
I'm still shaky on what deck to choose.
(Don't want to waste my hard earned electrum!  :'()
If you were to start farming FGs again what deck would you use?

Ty for replies.
Greatly appreciated, you're saving a noobs precious moneys  :P
RoL/Hope...i actually put on together for the first time today and it does well for a mostly unupped...

edit: as mentioned above, im trying a RoL/Hope atm...one thing i REALLY like about the deck: It owns Divine Glory! As Divine Glory has a pretty simple built deck (6 Explosion, 6 Morning Glory, 5 Animate Weapon, 3 Improved Miracle) it has a really good chance of giving you a card...i won 4 cards during my last 2 wins...3 of them after 1 single victory^^ very lucky, but still cool -> try RoL/Hope!

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Re: Please help me choose a anti FG deck. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18887.msg241018#msg241018
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2011, 04:30:27 pm »
imo opinion there is no debate.

CCYB - best deck if you already had a rainbow FG killer - probably the best of its type

Shak'ars - Hands down the best FG killer - but must be fully upgraded to really work

RoL-Hope - this is the best intro FG killer in the game - it can be built with just the RoL upped - although I would up as many pillars and pends as you can as well


I've got all three decks built and fully upped. I spend most of my time playing the voodoo deck - but if I were starting over would build RoL-Hope 1st to make me the electrum for Shak'ars
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Re: Please help me choose a anti FG deck. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18887.msg241357#msg241357
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2011, 01:08:44 am »
RoL/Hope -> Shak'ars Revenge it is :D

What build should I be aiming for?
The turbo speed one by seravy?
Or perhaps the Perpetual Light one.

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Re: Please help me choose a anti FG deck. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18887.msg241856#msg241856
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2011, 08:30:13 pm »
Depends on if you want to skip a lot of FG's and make faster electrum with more losses and score loss. If so, the original without SoG's is for you. However, it has overproduction of :aether, so 2 SoG's is very easy to fit in, and 6 Fractals is never better than just 5. I do recommend Archangels, however, so if you want a faster version, simply remove 2 SoG's from Perpetual Light and put in 2 more towers/pendulums.

However, since you are starting out, start with this: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14533
You need much more pillars/pendulums when they are unupped.
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