The ULTIMATE anti-FG strategy thread

[Glitch]

This thread is the ultimate reference sheet for FGs.  Their cards, their strategies, their weaknesses, their counters, and how you should deal with them with common anti-FG decks.  For the deck list, please double all cards and triple the mark.  This thread is currently incomplete and I'd like I'd be extremely thankful for any information/suggestions/help provided.  I'm probably going to add two per day until it's done.

I apologize, I have NOT been farming FG decks for very long, and I'll probably make mistakes.  Here we go!


Chaos lord

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Strategy	He'll make mutants, and kill with mutants.  Chaos lord has minor amounts of PC and CC, but it supplements these with PC/CC mutants.  It's dissipation fields can get to unsurmountable strength.
Weaknesses	So far, there are no reported weaknesses for Chaos Lord in the Chaos Lord forum.
Counters	So far, there are no reported counters for Chaos Lord in the Chaos Lord forum.
RoL/Hope strategy	Difficulty: Easy.  He has 2 explosions and steals, so playing an electrocuter is a risk (he has quantum towers, so he can use it against you if he steals it). Without it, he may draw unstoppables or generate huge creatures (such as a dragon with dive) and break through your shield, but the vast majority of the time, just getting around 15 rays out and then starting on the dragons works fine. The timing works out so that around the time he starts mutating lots of creaturse you should be draining his quanta if he has a diss field or health if he doesn't. Never play an electrocuter without trying to lure any steals with shards of gratitude. Remember, an electrocuter is very bad news to your deck.
CCYB strategy	Difficulty: varies.  Don't play pulvy without an hourglass up or he might steal it.  FFQ is useless if he plays a demon, quint your second destroyer.  Antimatter something with a skill or he'll just mutate it.  Fractal something of his.
CCYB win/plays	4/6

Dark Matter

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Strategy	Dark Matter will play so many black holes you'll have to discard half your hand.  By the time you're past his black holes, DM either has a nymph or he's killed you.
Weaknesses	Mono aether.  Lobotomizer stops his black holes (eventually) and if he doesn't chain into a nymph, you'll be golden.  Lobo the momentum and phase shield to victory.  Immortals make CC useless.
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RoL/Hope strategy	Difficulty: Medium. No permanent control, so play your electrocuter as early as possible. Don't play any rays until you have enough quanta to fractal them. This is a toss-up, since sometimes he'll come out with an early gravity nymph before you can get an electrocuter out (or be left with enough quanta to use it), and other times he'll link black holes in between playing creatures, and you're completely disabled until he pummels you. Your savior against Dark matter are towers, and lots of them. Try to keep your quanta supply above 3, so that he can't black hole all of it. Discard extra hopes/electrocuters if you have to discard, or play a ray if you have 2+ in your hand. Once you get your electrocuter out and fractal a ray, you just have to hope you can survive for another two or three turns until you have enough light quanta to play a hope, and then you're home free. He has 8 gravity forces and no other creature control, and only 2 unstoppables. Lobotomize his chargers and anything he plays his unstoppables on, and fall back on your general strategy. Buff up your hope, then spam dragons.
CCYB strategy	Difficulty: Skip. Pretty much impossible, don't bother.  You can't do anything about his grav nymphs, so even if he doesn't kill you you'll deck out.
CCYB win/plays	0/2

Decay

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Strategy	Decay plays pests off of his mark and then fractals them, achieving total quanta lockdown rapidly. Minor amounts of steal provide for enough PC to succeed until the lockdown is setup, and then with large amounts of darkness quanta, drain life will kill anything, including your HP.  Lighting allows for alternate CC, and eclipse adds another source of damage to deal with.
Weaknesses	Anti-fractal cards like dune scorpions and nightmare can ruin his deck.  Burst quanta can get past his lock, and rainbow decks can generate enough quanta to ignore his devourers.
Counters	Jade shield.
RoL/Hope strategy	Difficulty: Hard.  Decay's damage isn't blocked by hope, and devourers will eat up the quanta you need.  If you can get a RoL out fast enough, Decay might fractal that instead.  If you can get a dragon out, decay will waste all of his drain lifes on that.  Don't bother getting hope higher than 2.  Lobo is useless and will just get stolen, do not play it.  Your shards may get stolen, but if you need the health, you need the health.
CCYB strategy	Difficulty:  Difficult A pesty FG.  Somewhat dependent on your draw.  You need lots of towers to counter the drain.  Try not to play permafrost without a pulvy or hourglass up, you don't want it stolen.  Antimatter is best used on your FFQ as another quint.  Smash shields, eclipse, shards, and elec.
CCYB win/plays	2/4

Destiny

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Strategy	While not quite a rainbow god, she can still play her main creature card, fate eggs (being called destiny), and use their skills to brutal effects, worse, the fallen druids can make stealers in her field, that could wipe your chances of winning out. Her main strategy is to play an eternity card to stop any creature setup and keep you stuck on the field drawing the same card over and over, while her eggs hatch into some nasty (or not so nasty) creatures that will make mincemeat of your health. No actual permanent control in terms of cards means as long as a mutated creature doesnt have destroy or steal means you can play any setup you want without fear of it being destroyed, but your creatures can still be controlled. Maxwell demons put the icing on the cake by killing off any creatures that you have that have more attack than health these include – dragons, golems, Fire spirits, and others.
Weaknesses	Lobotomize will end destiny's deck.  No eggs, no mutants, nothing.  Destiny has no control besides reverse time, so quints are extremely useful.
Counters	Mono Aether.
RoL/Hope strategy	Difficulty: Easy.  An early lobotomize will end his deck, and even then, he has very few options for getting past your shield.  Just take care of trouble creatures if and when they show up, and it's a cakewalk.
CCYB strategy	Difficulty:  Mostly Easy Don't play pulvy without an hourglass up or he might steal it.  FFQ is useless if he plays a demon, quint your second destroyer.  Antimatter something with a skill or he'll just mutate it.  Fractal something of his.  Draw aggressively, if you start running out you can always fractal something and let him rewind it.  The longer the game goes on the more chance of him getting something really dangerous or just too much damage.
CCYB win/plays	2/4

Firefly Queen

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Strategy	Firefly Queen runs a modded FFQ deck, using FFQ's and Eagles' Eyes as a primary source of damage.  Once the creatures are established, she plays many Feral Bonds for massive healing.  If Fireflies are left unchecked, than Firefly Queen can Fire Bolt you to death along with playing a Fahrenheit.
Weaknesses	Firefly Queen's combo is slow to get out, and many of her creatures are very weak to Lobotomize.
Counters	Lobotomize.  If her FFQ's cannot produce Fireflies, her combo is ruined.  Rain of Fire works to an extent, clearing out an entire board of Fireflies can fuel a Bonewall quite well.  There are no anti-Firefly queen decks in her strategy forums.
RoL/Hope strategy	Difficulty: Varies.  While Firefly Queen does have a seemingly high amount of CC, she lacks creature protection, and she is very vulnerable to Electrocuters.  However, since RoL/Hope contains no permanent control, she can just heal back any damage you cause to her if her combo gets out of control.
CCYB strategy	Difficulty:  Easy  2/2 Permafrost is important here, draw until you have it.  Antimatter can go on an EE or a FF.  Do what you want with damage.  Quinted destroyers or fractaled FFQ probably.
CCYB win/plays	2/2

[Glitch]

Reserved.

[Dragoon1140]

Your post is hard to read, do something like this:

Chaos lord

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Strategy	He'll make mutants, and kill with mutants.  Chaos lord has minor amounts of PC and CC, but it supplements these with PC/CC mutants.  It's dissipation fields can get to unsurmountable strength.
Weaknesses	So far, there are no reported weaknesses for Chaos Lord in the Chaos Lord forum.
Counters	So far, there are no reported counters for Chaos Lord in the Chaos Lord forum.
RoL/Hope strategy	Easy.  He has 2 explosions and steals, so playing an electrocuter is a risk (he has quantum towers, so he can use it against you if he steals it). Without it, he may draw unstoppables or generate huge creatures (such as a dragon with dive) and break through your shield, but the vast majority of the time, just getting around 15 rays out and then starting on the dragons works fine. The timing works out so that around the time he starts mutating lots of creaturse you should be draining his quanta if he has a diss field or health if he doesn't. Never play an electrocuter without trying to lure any steals with shards of gratitude. Remember, an electrocuter is very bad news to your deck.
CCYB strategy	Don't play pulvy without an hourglass up or he might steal it.  FFQ is useless if he plays a demon, quint your second destroyer.  Antimatter something with a skill or he'll just mutate it.  Fractal something of his.
Difficulty	4/6

[Glitch]

Good idea is good.

[Glitch]

I'll probably add in a controlbow strategy.

[Dragoon1140]

(Don't add decks to tables, they don't clip very well)

My contribution:

Firefly Queen

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Strategy	Firefly Queen runs a modded FFQ deck, using FFQ's and Eagles' Eyes as a primary source of damage.  Once the creatures are established, he plays many Feral Bonds for massive healing.  If Fireflies are left unchecked, than Firefly Queen can Fire Bolt you to death along with playing a Fahrenheit.
Weaknesses	Firefly Queen's combo is slow to get out, and many of his creatures are very weak to Lobotomize.
Counters	Lobotomize.  If his FFQ's cannot produce Fireflies, his combo is ruined.  Rain of Fire works to an extent, clearing out an entire board of Fireflies can fuel a Bonewall quite well.
RoL/Hope strategy	Difficulty: Varies.  While Firefly Queen does have a seemingly high amount of CC, he lacks creature protection, and he is very vulnerable to Electrocuters.  However, since RoL/Hope contains no permanent control, he can just heal back any damage you cause to him if his combo gets out of control.
CCYB strategy	Difficulty: varies.  <Due to my laziness, please enter a strategy.    >

[Dragoon1140]

Okay, my probable last post in the thread and my last contribution.

Use Spoiler tags.

OSMG A SPOILAH!!!

[twinsbuster]

I don't think the strategy should focus on CCYB and Hope. Their relative topics have this part already.

[Glitch]

Oh?  Then what do you think should be there?

[Glitch]

Next two are up.

[zse]

I was just about to start new topic, but then I figured that this info fits here also.

I made some number crunching to compare whether CCYB is better than Hope-RoL, and here are my results

	Amilir post# 1	The Emperor 638	Averam 697	Wushu 817	zse LowCC	zse Hope
Chaos Lord	67%	50%	50%	0%	33%	43%
Dark Matter	0%	0%	0%	0%	0%	13%
Decay	50%	33%	33%	75%	71%	47%
Destiny	100%	33%	100%	100%	100%	88%
Divine Glory	25%	40%	50%	14%	0%	68%
Dream Catcher	0%	17%	0%	0%	25%	46%
Elidnis	83%	50%	50%	80%	75%	55%
Eternal Phoenix	100%	0%	0%	25%	0%	30%
Ferox	83%	83%	50%	67%	67%	18%
Firefly Queen	100%	100%	0%	71%	63%	83%
Gemini	100%	0%	50%	100%	75%	64%
Graviton	25%	33%	25%	0%	50%	8%
Hermes	0%	0%	0%	0%	0%	0%
Incarnate	89%	100%	100%	100%	67%	67%
Miracle	50%	33%	80%	25%	100%	80%
Morte	75%	80%	50%	100%	33%	60%
Neptune	100%	100%	67%	100%	100%	79%
Obliterator	75%	17%	33%	100%	50%	52%
Octane	100%	50%	67%	0%	67%	0%
Osiris	80%	100%	83%	67%	67%	56%
Paradox	83%	50%	100%	0%	50%	78%
Rainbow	0%	0%	0%	0%	0%	33%
Scorpio	50%	50%	25%	29%	33%	43%
Seism	75%	25%	100%	33%	100%	60%

Amilir original CCYB 1	63% wins	100 games
MrBlonde CCYB 635	47%	425
The Emperor CCYB 638	44%	100
Averam CCYB 697	46%	~70
Wushu CCYB 817	48%	100
Mahon CCYB 887/914	46%	557
zse CCYB	51%	111
zse Hope-RoL	49%	400

Numbers after player names are the post# at topic
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,9545.0.html

I'm not sure what are the exact deck lists used by MrBlonde, The Emperor and Averam. I'll post my decklists later, if someone wants to know 'em.

[jmizzle7]

Pro tip: don't use abbreviations. PC and CC mean nothing to the casual Elements player. Permanent control and creature control, however, do hold meaning.