FG deck out deck

[kev]

Chaos Lord 106
Dark Matter 94
Decay   60
Destiny   100
Dream Catc 76
Divine   72
Elidnis   112
Eternal   60
Ferox   102
Fire Queen 100
Gemini   90
Graviton   70
Hermes   116
Incarnate   86
Miracle   76
Morte   106
Neptune   84
Obliterator 94
Octane   64
Osiris   60
Paradox   100
Rainbow   120
Scorpio   108
Seism   92

No FG has more than 120 cards, and rainbow draws more than twice per turn with glasses.  Standing back and looking at it, it seems like making a 60 card, ultra-defensive deck might be a fair strategy.  It might be slower than the more conventional FG decks but it might make up for the increased required number of turns with the ability to play turns quickly and largely without thought.  It's not like many FG decks are winning in six turns anyway.

I tinkered with this some in trainer, mostly with creatureless decks, and have had little success.  I made a number of variants of the silly squid's vita infinitum deck (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,4402.0.html), a couple that tried to exploit the dissipation shield, and others that used permafrost and flood.  I tinkered and tinkered and eventually found a FG deck out deck that was ok, but it was essentially just two Puppychow rainbow decks put together so it was a whole lot harder to find cards, a lot less time efficient, and I accidentally killed an FG while trying to deck him out.

Has anyone had any success with this strategy that they care to share?  Wasting my time?

[MrSexington]

It's a waste of time.

I used my Rage Quit Deck (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,3807.0.html) with some success.  The problem isn't just that the games are incredibly boring, it's that they take so damn long.  I don't care if the deck had a 100% win percentage.  It doesn't, but even if it did, it wouldn't be worth it because the games take 5-10x as long to finish.

Even if it had a 100% win rate, in the time it took you to win 100 games, any FG deck with a 50% win rate would have won 250-500 games.

 

[kev]

Even if it had a 100% win rate, in the time it took you to win 100 games, any FG deck with a 50% win rate would have won 250-500 games.

I'm sure that it seems this way, but I don't think the math adds up.  The above means that FGs deck out in about 45 turns, on average.  100 won games at 45 turns would be roughly the same amount of time as 50% won at 200 games of 22.5 turns, which is probably not  that far from reality.

Obviously a 100% win rate is a pipe dream but you can see why pursuing a high winrate, even if it takes longer, might be desirable.  I noted above that deck out decks might require less thought and be faster to play a turn than a conventional deck.

One of the bigger problems with a deck out deck is that it's so difficult to find what you're looking for in a 60 card deck, especially if you can't draw.  Additionally, some FGs will hold seven creature control cards if you're playing a creatureless deck, which means they only draw one.

Meh.  Food for thought, I guess.

[MrSexington]

I'm sure that it seems this way, but I don't think the math adds up.  The above means that FGs deck out in about 45 turns, on average.  100 won games at 45 turns would be roughly the same amount of time as 50% won at 200 games of 22.5 turns, which is probably not  that far from reality.

Your logic makes sense, but "time" is different than turns.

Maybe the builds of your deck are drastically different than mine, but every game I've played ends up filling the enemy field with creatures and permanents by the end.  There are also a bunch of permanents on my side of the board.  The more creatures and permanents in play stretches the end of turn animations and calculations, which stretches out the game.

The time it takes to play 45 turns with my deck does not equal the time it takes to play (2x) 22.5 turns with my modified Puppy Chow deck.  It's not even close.

 

[Laxaria]

Umm... QT+PA+Dissipation Field ftw?

[BluePriest]

I'm sure that it seems this way, but I don't think the math adds up.  The above means that FGs deck out in about 45 turns, on average.  100 won games at 45 turns would be roughly the same amount of time as 50% won at 200 games of 22.5 turns, which is probably not  that far from reality.

Your logic makes sense, but "time" is different than turns.

Maybe the builds of your deck are drastically different than mine, but every game I've played ends up filling the enemy field with creatures and permanents by the end.  There are also a bunch of permanents on my side of the board.  The more creatures and permanents in play stretches the end of turn animations and calculations, which stretches out the game.

The time it takes to play 45 turns with my deck does not equal the time it takes to play (2x) 22.5 turns with my modified Puppy Chow deck.  It's not even close.

 

The problem of animations will be fixed when the new version is live. Zanz is working on making it so that on low, it will remove a lot of the animations.

[yaladilae]

Isnt this supppose to be in deck help / FG discussion?

Anyway..
When the god has 7 cards in hand, it only draws 1 a turn
Without playing a creature etc for him to use his spell, that will happen very very often !

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I've been using a less upgraded deck to farm ai5 getting 1,200 coins average per 90 minutes not counting the cards I win. Then, unionruler convinced me it would be more lucrative to win fewer times with FGs including the upgraded cards. So, I started FG farming just today and winning mostly against Gemini, Ferox, Osiris with good spin rates, EMing them gets me around 280 coins but not all the time.

Will post stats when I get better at this.