[group] The Elemental Engineers - Engineer's Workshop

[Mathematistic]

Hi Dandy! Nice to have you here, though the group became much more silent

Well, maybe because all of us are crazy shard grinding?
And welcome Dandy.

[Gandora]

Hi Dandy! Nice to have you here, though the group became much more silent

Well, maybe because all of us are crazy shard grinding?
And welcome Dandy.

No, I'd like to, but I'm crazy studying xD

[Chapuz]

hey guys, I have been trying to make a Ball Lighting FG OTK with SoFr. So I have been thinking:
 The combo is: have in field 4 (protected) Shards of Freedom, and in hand 6 BL, a fractal and a Sky Blitz.
Play 6 Ball Lighting, fractal them, play the other 7 and sky blitz. The total damage is 13x15 = 195 unstoppable damage 
So I thought of having a morning glory for the last 5 damage.

So this are the minimal combo cards:

by Chapuz

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6s6 6s6 6s6 6s6 74c 77i 77i 7n9 809 809 809 809 809 809 80i

and this is my first sketch:

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5rp 5rp 5rp 5rp 5rp 5rp 6s6 6s6 6s6 6s6 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 77i 7k1 7n9 808 808 808 808 808 808 808 808 809 809 809 809 809 809 80d 80d 80d 80d 80d 80d 80i 8pj

I have made a thread here about it, what do you think?

[Mathematistic]

Titan is the better weapon here if you were to OTK. Immaterial is irrelevant as it just need to hit once at the last turn.
Creative idea, but I doubt the effectiveness. The lack of draw power (essentially 34 card deck!) and the vulnerability to PC (with addition of SoFo in FGs...) makes plain mono-aether (or your light dragon OTK) better.
Question: Why are you so interested in OTKs?
Btw, a defence/draw system similar to instosis might work. Powering fractal/sky blitz with SN sounds legit to me.

[Chapuz]

Titan is the better weapon here if you were to OTK. Immaterial is irrelevant as it just need to hit once at the last turn.
Creative idea, but I doubt the effectiveness. The lack of draw power (essentially 34 card deck!) and the vulnerability to PC (with addition of SoFo in FGs...) makes plain mono-aether (or your light dragon OTK) better.
Question: Why are you so interested in OTKs?
Btw, a defence/draw system similar to instosis might work. Powering fractal/sky blitz with SN sounds legit to me.

morning glory is immaterial, so I can play it early and don't worry about the oponents PC+healing (the BL only do 195 damage).

Instosis is now kinda sucky because of the Sundial priority target over hourglasses, that's why I wanted to use sundials+dim shields to stall. 
Answer: They are just deck ideas that come to my mind. I have made a pair of non-OTK decks, but that amount of originality doesn't come to my mind so often. Also, FG OHKO are always cool.

And that was only my first sketch, that's why I'm asking for some help ^^

[Mathematistic]

TBH dim shields suck as much as sundials. It is auto surrender vs PC decks, same as sundials.
Using both might work, but the problems is, how to use both+having draw power+30 card? Small deck size for OTK is very important.

How about cloak as PC bait?

[Gandora]

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hey guys, I have been trying to make a Ball Lighting FG OTK with SoFr. So I have been thinking:
 The combo is: have in field 4 (protected) Shards of Freedom, and in hand 6 BL, a fractal and a Sky Blitz.
Play 6 Ball Lighting, fractal them, play the other 7 and sky blitz. The total damage is 13x15 = 195 unstoppable damage 
So I thought of having a morning glory for the last 5 damage.

So this are the minimal combo cards:

by Chapuz

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6s6 6s6 6s6 6s6 74c 77i 77i 7n9 809 809 809 809 809 809 80i

and this is my first sketch:

by Chapuz

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5rp 5rp 5rp 5rp 5rp 5rp 6s6 6s6 6s6 6s6 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 77i 7k1 7n9 808 808 808 808 808 808 808 808 809 809 809 809 809 809 80d 80d 80d 80d 80d 80d 80i 8pj

I have made a thread here about it, what do you think?

I think that with 13 BL the chance to make a critical hit for the last 5 damage is high enough?

I agree with Mathematistic, its effectiveness seems doubtful.

I know you're a fan of OTK but I think it's very hard to achieve it this way.
You could cut down the Element variety to something like this. Of course it still lacks draw power
and you're screwed if damsels die too early but it seems a possible way:

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4vj 6s6 6s6 6s6 6s6 77i 7mt 7mt 7mt 7mt 7mt 7mt 7n9 7q9 7q9 7q9 7q9 7q9 7q9 808 808 808 808 808 808 808 808 809 809 809 809 809 809 80d 80d 80d 80d 80d 80d 80i 8pq

[Chapuz]

the ides is that with the 4 SoFr all 13 BL have 100% chance of making 15 damage each, making a total of 13x15 + 195.
I know  effectiveness is doubtfull, because Limitless Speed+6 sundials would be more effective (no need of permanents other than shield stalling). I like your deamsdel idea, but with 3 different 0 cost cards (not counting nova) the mulligan will screw it.

It wasn't suposed to be the best deck ever, it was just a funny idea that came to my mind.

[Absol]

The 195 damage has been calculated. 6 BL + Fractal (7 BL) + Sky Blitz + Full SoFr = 195 unstoppable damage. Is 1 short from 200.
Sadly Morning Glory clashes with Sundials in terms of quanta usage. Or, if you use this against FG, quanta control Gods are auto-skip (Decay and Dark matter)
Similar to Instosis, the combo can be fueled off 6 SNs, so you can dedicate all towers for drawing speed. Not sure how to fit in defense, though.

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Or add 6 Sundials. Practically 30 cards, as Sundials draw itself.
Based on my experience playing Instosis, you will often be left with excess Sundials. Which means this could stand a chance even while not being a 30-card deck.

[Cheesy111]

The 195 damage has been calculated. 6 BL + Fractal (7 BL) + Sky Blitz + Full SoFr = 195 unstoppable damage. Is 1 short from 200.
Sadly Morning Glory clashes with Sundials in terms of quanta usage. Or, if you use this against FG, quanta control Gods are auto-skip (Decay and Dark matter)
Similar to Instosis, the combo can be fueled off 6 SNs, so you can dedicate all towers for drawing speed. Not sure how to fit in defense, though.

by Absol

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6s6 6s6 6s6 6s6 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 77i 7k1 7n9 7q0 7q0 7q0 7q0 7q0 7q0 7q5 7q5 7q5 7q5 809 809 809 809 809 809 80i 8pj

Or add 6 Sundials. Practically 30 cards, as Sundials draw itself.
Based on my experience playing Instosis, you will often be left with excess Sundials. Which means this could stand a chance even while not being a 30-card deck.

Morning Glory is a poor choice, as it leaves you low on damage if you fight fogs, dims or dusks.

[Laxadarap]

The 195 damage has been calculated. 6 BL + Fractal (7 BL) + Sky Blitz + Full SoFr = 195 unstoppable damage. Is 1 short from 200.
Sadly Morning Glory clashes with Sundials in terms of quanta usage. Or, if you use this against FG, quanta control Gods are auto-skip (Decay and Dark matter)
Similar to Instosis, the combo can be fueled off 6 SNs, so you can dedicate all towers for drawing speed. Not sure how to fit in defense, though.

by Absol

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6s6 6s6 6s6 6s6 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 77i 7k1 7n9 7q0 7q0 7q0 7q0 7q0 7q0 7q5 7q5 7q5 7q5 809 809 809 809 809 809 80i 8pj

Or add 6 Sundials. Practically 30 cards, as Sundials draw itself.
Based on my experience playing Instosis, you will often be left with excess Sundials. Which means this could stand a chance even while not being a 30-card deck.

I don't believe any of the FG's with any of those shields have healing.  I think incarnate has bonewall, not dusk.
Morning Glory is a poor choice, as it leaves you low on damage if you fight fogs, dims or dusks.

[Poker Alho]

and how many fogs, dims or dusks are there combined with healing that render morning glory useless, among the False Gods? none