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Your Cards are Useless https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30726.msg390542#msg390542
« on: September 08, 2011, 02:31:34 am »
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A common reason discord is seen as not THAT great is that mid-late game it hardly has any affect to halt the opponent. Introducing, silence.

The basis of this "family" of decks is to deny the opponent the ability to play their cards. Early-game, this denial takes the form of discord. Mid-game, silence takes over that responsibility. Late-game, it should be too late.

I'm posting this version first as it is the most consistent performer, but also probably the easiest to counter if all decks would get good draws. Variations on it can be made such as adding another tower, taking out a dragon(s), making it 6 discords 5 animates, adding/removing antimatters, and so forth. Entropy really is a versatile element.

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This next one introduces supernovas which are used to play precognition to get through to all your silences faster. That said, it can be very draw dependent and silence can't be played without a matching supernova. You could possibly sub an Aether mark in but then you're highly relying on getting an entropy tower on the draw.

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Now we're getting even more rainbowy; in fact, this one IS a rainbow deck. But since its base is the original trio, it's going here. It introduces black holes to provide even more denial, plus some healing. You can put off your silences for longer if you get them. For this reason, it subs two precognitions and one silence for three black holes.

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Again, it is VERY draw dependent. If you get all three (or even two) black holes in your opening hand they're probably dead cards. There's three to mostly insure you draw one early. Furthermore, you can play with this idea even more by somehow adding explosions or lightning or other low cost control cards and taking some other stuff out.

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Re: Your Cards are Useless https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30726.msg390546#msg390546
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2011, 02:42:29 am »
Great idea and great deck.

You could possibly sub an Aether mark in but then you're highly relying on getting an entropy tower on the draw.
As for this, 6 zerocost cards and all of them amethyst towers, I think it's safe to rely on getting one on the draw.  :)

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Re: Your Cards are Useless https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30726.msg390548#msg390548
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2011, 02:49:51 am »
interesting deck concept - I likes it.

I'd suggest using unupped Flying Weapon instead - it does force you to have a SN before you can play it - but it also means it doesn't accidently take your :entropy quanta leaving you unable to play a second discord.

I also think the deck will struggle immensely with the current meta - which seems to be full of immo rushes and SN rushes - neither of which this does much to slow down.
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Re: Your Cards are Useless https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30726.msg390552#msg390552
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2011, 02:53:36 am »
With the second and third decks, I'm unsure how you will actually win. Yes, the opponent might not be able to play anything for a long time, but you only have four damage sources, so you'll take a long time to kill the opponent too. Also, if you draw two discords and no animates, you can't actually have both on the field, so calling it just 'four damage sources' is a bit inaccurate since you can't actually use three of those damage sources unless you draw an animate.

What about leaving the animate weapons unupped?

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Re: Your Cards are Useless https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30726.msg390556#msg390556
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2011, 02:57:57 am »
Yeah, the damage output on decks 2 and 3 is concerning, but the deck idea and the decks are really great.

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Re: Your Cards are Useless https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30726.msg390559#msg390559
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2011, 02:59:44 am »
interesting deck concept - I likes it.

I'd suggest using unupped Flying Weapon instead - it does force you to have a SN before you can play it - but it also means it doesn't accidently take your :entropy quanta leaving you unable to play a second discord.

I also think the deck will struggle immensely with the current meta - which seems to be full of immo rushes and SN rushes - neither of which this does much to slow down.
Honestly I don't think Animate vs. Flying Weapon really matters. I use animate because I happen to have them and it's insurance that on a REALLY bad draw you won't be without air quanta to play one. There's only a 1/12 chance animate will use entropy (unless you haven't novaed yet, in which case, 100%, but flying weapon wouldn't even be ABLE to be played), and that's really only on one turn. After the beginning few turns you should have enough entropy to where you have no need to worry about entropy.

And yeah, it won't be a game changer, but it's viable. It can obliterate duos, monos, and trios, and with the black hole version can sometimes beat rainbows (rarely). Also, although I only recently rejoined, I've been seeing more traditional duos and such than speedbows. Though immo decks are fairly popular.


Regarding damage output: that's partly why I like the first deck. The dragons, and five discords versus four.

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Re: Your Cards are Useless https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30726.msg390566#msg390566
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2011, 03:33:26 am »
With the second and third decks, I'm unsure how you will actually win. Yes, the opponent might not be able to play anything for a long time, but you only have four damage sources, so you'll take a long time to kill the opponent too. Also, if you draw two discords and no animates, you can't actually have both on the field, so calling it just 'four damage sources' is a bit inaccurate since you can't actually use three of those damage sources unless you draw an animate.

Edit: ninja'd
You read my mind. I was just gearing up to post this and you wrote almost verbatim what I wanted to and was thinking.

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Re: Your Cards are Useless https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30726.msg391339#msg391339
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2011, 07:37:12 pm »
possible to work in a nightmare? they wont be able to play a hand full of discords but that could hurt you mid game

 

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