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Re: Arc Lightning | Arc Lightning https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29658.msg449720#msg449720
« Reply #48 on: January 16, 2012, 11:31:15 pm »
Would shields have any effect on this?

ex. the opponent has a flown titan and a mirror shield
     you use arc lightning
     what happens?
because it doesnt target players, mirror shield and emerald shield would do nothing
your titan would die
So... you use arc lightning on the Titan
Then it jumps back and forth between the Titan and the opponent, completely ignoring the mirror shield?

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Re: Arc Lightning | Arc Lightning https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29658.msg449721#msg449721
« Reply #49 on: January 16, 2012, 11:33:31 pm »
Would shields have any effect on this?

ex. the opponent has a flown titan and a mirror shield
     you use arc lightning
     what happens?
because it doesnt target players, mirror shield and emerald shield would do nothing
your titan would die
So... you use arc lightning on the Titan
Then it jumps back and forth between the Titan and the opponent, completely ignoring the mirror shield?
yes... the mirror shield effect is only activated when you are target of spells like ice bolt and drain life

in this case it is only targetting your creatures, in this case, the flown titan, and it will bounce back to the titan untill it dies

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Re: Arc Lightning | Arc Lightning https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29658.msg449723#msg449723
« Reply #50 on: January 16, 2012, 11:36:15 pm »
So... you use arc lightning on the Titan
Then it jumps back and forth between the Titan and the opponent, completely ignoring the mirror shield?
No. You use Arc Lightning on the Titan and it jumps back and forth between the Titan and the Titan until the Titan dies.
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Re: Arc Lightning | Arc Lightning https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29658.msg449852#msg449852
« Reply #51 on: January 17, 2012, 08:43:01 am »
So... you use arc lightning on the Titan
Then it jumps back and forth between the Titan and the opponent, completely ignoring the mirror shield?
No. You use Arc Lightning on the Titan and it jumps back and forth between the Titan and the Titan until the Titan dies.
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Re: Arc Lightning | Arc Lightning https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29658.msg453125#msg453125
« Reply #52 on: January 26, 2012, 10:16:26 pm »
Sounds pretty awesome, but realistically, too expensive to be useful.

Just out of curiosity, if theres one creature, it'll just kill it regardless of hp, right?

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Re: Arc Lightning | Arc Lightning https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29658.msg453127#msg453127
« Reply #53 on: January 26, 2012, 10:18:05 pm »
Sounds pretty awesome, but realistically, too expensive to be useful.

Just out of curiosity, if theres one creature, it'll just kill it regardless of hp, right?
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Re: Arc Lightning | Arc Lightning https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29658.msg458965#msg458965
« Reply #54 on: February 11, 2012, 05:38:30 pm »
need a bit more balancing but good idea

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Re: Arc Lightning | Arc Lightning https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29658.msg459191#msg459191
« Reply #55 on: February 12, 2012, 06:17:15 am »
I'm still opposed to this card. Having an instant kill w/ splash damage is easily far too powerful. Don't bring up the "oh but it'll kill the weak creature and barely do dmg" arguement. The targeting is RANDOM it has every bit as likely a chance to kill the small creature after a jump or two as it does never touching it. Unless your oponent spams small creatures, which would diminsh the effect of this card anyways, this is more likely to jump many times, doing well over 5 damage you get with lightning. I still suggest making it jump a limited number of times while starting with a high dmg and doing succesively less. This has the added advantage of guarenteeing you high dmg on 1 creature and the the bonus jumps, thus the spell is more precise and overall has a higher chance of hitting useless targets. Not to mention you'd be guarenteed those hits.
Ex: Deals 5 dmg to target then jumps for 3 then 1. Total 9 dmg(can be more,less, w/e) Helps apply a standard for balance as well.
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Re: Arc Lightning | Arc Lightning https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29658.msg459207#msg459207
« Reply #56 on: February 12, 2012, 07:19:49 am »
I'm still opposed to this card. Having an instant kill w/ splash damage is easily far too powerful. Don't bring up the "oh but it'll kill the weak creature and barely do dmg" arguement. The targeting is RANDOM it has every bit as likely a chance to kill the small creature after a jump or two as it does never touching it. Unless your oponent spams small creatures, which would diminsh the effect of this card anyways, this is more likely to jump many times, doing well over 5 damage you get with lightning. I still suggest making it jump a limited number of times while starting with a high dmg and doing succesively less. This has the added advantage of guarenteeing you high dmg on 1 creature and the the bonus jumps, thus the spell is more precise and overall has a higher chance of hitting useless targets. Not to mention you'd be guarenteed those hits.
Ex: Deals 5 dmg to target then jumps for 3 then 1. Total 9 dmg(can be more,less, w/e) Helps apply a standard for balance as well.
Random does not mean equally likely.
In an Extreme case:
22 Photons, 1 Massive Dragon
If all had an equal chance of dying, the Massive Dragon would die 1/23 times
Since it is not an equal chance of dying, the Massive Dragon would die 1/23^30 times

Lightning deals 5 damage to a single target and only costs 2 :aether + 1 card. Saying something is greatly more effect than Lightning is saying it should cost greatly more than 2 :aether+1card. It already does cost greatly more at 8 :aether+1card.

That said: I do prefer a 5 to 3 to 2 to 1 jump because it is less random and shows the dissipation of energy from jump to jump.
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Re: Arc Lightning | Arc Lightning https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29658.msg460684#msg460684
« Reply #57 on: February 15, 2012, 06:25:36 pm »
One other alternative would be to limit the number of times it can jump to a given creature. This would give some immediate balance benchmarks:
Max 1 times each => slightly less powerful than thunderstorm
Max 3 times each => slightly less powerful than rain of fire
With a current cost of 8 | 7, I would say it should be somewhere between 4 and 6 max hits per creature since it costs more than RoF (equivalent to setting max to 3).
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Re: Arc Lightning | Arc Lightning https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29658.msg460750#msg460750
« Reply #58 on: February 15, 2012, 10:17:08 pm »
I don't think it's a good idea to allow it to bounce on the same creature it just striked (which allow it to kill any lonely creature no matter the hp).

I'd replace "enemy" with "another enemy creature". The idea of a chain lightning is good but it has no reason to be also an insta kill chimera spell.

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Re: Arc Lightning | Arc Lightning https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29658.msg460763#msg460763
« Reply #59 on: February 15, 2012, 10:31:30 pm »
I don't think it's a good idea to allow it to bounce on the same creature it just striked (which allow it to kill any lonely creature no matter the hp).

I'd replace "enemy" with "another enemy creature". The idea of a chain lightning is good but it has no reason to be also an insta kill chimera spell.
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