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Re: Twilit Queen | Twilit Empress https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37870.msg488416#msg488416
« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2012, 02:49:49 pm »
If the ability of Twilt Queen/Empress is used on a mutated creature, would it return it back to normal? If a Mutate spell turned a Photon into an Abomination and that Abomination was poisoned first and then targeted by  :light :light : Laud, is it going to become a 2/2 Photon or a 6/6 Abomination?
It would return the creatures to the base stat of the card it is now.  So a mutated Colossal Dragon would become a regular Colossal Dragon, a Pharaoh would stay a Pharaoh,

 I may be a silly and annoying person, but I still do not understand. By mutated Colossal Dragon, do you mean a Colossal Dragon that was targeted by Mutation or a creature who was targeted by Mutation and it became a Colossal Dragon in the process with strange stats and  abilities (for example a 11/21 Colossal Dragon with Mitosis)?
 Please, just answer my following question and I will fully understand how this card will work. Let say we have a normal 0/3 Otyugh with 1 :gravity : Devour. This Otyugh is targeted by Mutation and it becomes a 7/6 Horned Frog with 1 :life: Lobotomize. Then this Horned Frog is targeted by Laud. Will it become a normal vanilla 3/3 Horned frog with +1/+1 on its statistics (4/4 overall) or it become a 0/3 Otyugh with 1 :gravity : Devour and +1/+1 on its statistics (1/4 overall)?
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Re: Twilit Queen | Twilit Empress https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37870.msg488420#msg488420
« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2012, 03:01:05 pm »
I think based on the way things work in game, a creature that changed to a new creature via mutation would stay in its current form, but go to is just played form +/- 1|1.
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Re: Twilit Queen | Twilit Empress https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37870.msg488688#msg488688
« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2012, 01:15:28 am »
Isnt it spelled Twilight? Or is this on purpose? Anyways on to the card I actually like it, would it work on mutated creatures, returning them to original stats??? And also getting rid of ability?
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Re: Twilit Queen | Twilit Empress https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37870.msg488835#msg488835
« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2012, 07:25:12 am »
Twilit is different from Twilight.  While Twilight signifies a certain time, Twilit describes an object as having qualities similar to Twilight.

I'm sorry if it wasn't clear before, so I guess I'll try again.

Let's say you have a Golden Dragon.  It is targeted by Improved Mutation and turns into a 11|7 Deja Vu with 1 :time Steal.  Good so far?

Well, Twilit Queen comes along and hits it with Laud.  In this situation, it would turn into a 2|2 Deja Vu with :time Deja Vu, since it has the base stats of 1|1 but gets an additional +1|+1 from Laud.

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Re: Twilit Queen | Twilit Empress https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37870.msg488888#msg488888
« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2012, 09:24:53 am »
Twilit is different from Twilight.  While Twilight signifies a certain time, Twilit describes an object as having qualities similar to Twilight.

I'm sorry if it wasn't clear before, so I guess I'll try again.

Let's say you have a Golden Dragon.  It is targeted by Improved Mutation and turns into a 11|7 Deja Vu with 1 :time Steal.  Good so far?

Well, Twilit Queen comes along and hits it with Laud.  In this situation, it would turn into a 2|2 Deja Vu with :time Deja Vu, since it has the base stats of 1|1 but gets an additional +1|+1 from Laud.

Ok, now it is perfectly clear for me! Thanks, dude!!!  ;D
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Re: Twilit Queen | Twilit Empress https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37870.msg488896#msg488896
« Reply #17 on: April 28, 2012, 09:38:35 am »
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Re: Twilit Queen | Twilit Empress https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37870.msg488898#msg488898
« Reply #18 on: April 28, 2012, 09:40:30 am »
Oh, sorry, I hadn't seen it.  Unfortunately, I've already begun sketching the art for it, but it will make a brilliant placeholder.  Sorry about that.

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Re: Twilit Queen | Twilit Empress https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37870.msg489074#msg489074
« Reply #19 on: April 28, 2012, 05:39:43 pm »
Twilit is different from Twilight.  While Twilight signifies a certain time, Twilit describes an object as having qualities similar to Twilight.

I'm sorry if it wasn't clear before, so I guess I'll try again.

Let's say you have a Golden Dragon.  It is targeted by Improved Mutation and turns into a 11|7 Deja Vu with 1 :time Steal.  Good so far?

Well, Twilit Queen comes along and hits it with Laud.  In this situation, it would turn into a 2|2 Deja Vu with :time Deja Vu, since it has the base stats of 1|1 but gets an additional +1|+1 from Laud.

Ok, now it is perfectly clear for me! Thanks, dude!!!  ;D
Figured it out, thanks so much :) Just one teensy question, if you mutated the Deja Vu again into a Dune Scorpion with 5 / 5 and  :time :time Freeze, then you laud it, would it be 2/3 Neurotoxin or 1/2 Neurotoxin, (Asking if the Lauds are cumulative on the creature if it keeps getting hit, which Im almost certain they are not, thanks to the return to original part.)

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Re: Twilit Queen | Twilit Empress https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37870.msg489095#msg489095
« Reply #20 on: April 28, 2012, 06:30:36 pm »
It would be 1/2 | 1/4.  Laud/Humble does not stack.

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Re: Twilit Queen | Twilit Empress https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37870.msg489125#msg489125
« Reply #21 on: April 28, 2012, 07:31:08 pm »
Why is Lycanthrope an exception?

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Re: Twilit Queen | Twilit Empress https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37870.msg489126#msg489126
« Reply #22 on: April 28, 2012, 07:34:14 pm »
Why is Lycanthrope an exception?

Looking back at it now, I don't remember.  I think there was something to do with one-time use abilities, but I fail to remember my logic.  Will remove the exception from the Notes.

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Re: Twilit Queen | Twilit Empress https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37870.msg490181#msg490181
« Reply #23 on: April 30, 2012, 06:09:44 pm »
Doesn't seem that useful at a glance. Not sure how it actually does in practice, but the ability seems quite situational and expensive.
If the ability of Twilt Queen/Empress is used on a mutated creature, would it return it back to normal? If a Mutate spell turned a Photon into an Abomination and that Abomination was poisoned first and then targeted by  :light :light : Laud, is it going to become a 2/2 Photon or a 6/6 Abomination?
It would return the creatures to the base stat of the card it is now.  So a mutated Colossal Dragon would become a regular Colossal Dragon, a Pharaoh would stay a Pharaoh,

This card doesn't seem overly situational at all. In fact it is tremendously flexible.
If I'm reading this right it could be used to undo lobotomize, liquid shadow, or other CC effects like delay, freeze, and poison, making it possibly the most powerful anti-cc card in the game.
It would also undo buffs on opponent's side like blessing, butterfly effect, etc, making a form of BC (buff control) which fills a niche formally only accessible to time.
This definitely doesn't seem too situational to me. It certainly doesn't seem UP... in fact it may be OP.
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