Stolas | Stolas

[Vangelios]

Why would you want to use two stolas as 4 damage and a PA for your sword when you could easily use that quanta for grabboids, frogs, and PA?

I am referring to up stolas, graboids are 

We're talking about Permenent Protection, which Stolas is.  The only other protection right now is Enchant Artifact [2 | 1 ].  With Immolation, it is a much better deal that Stolas.

 Enchant Artifact can not attack

[furballdn]

If the whole reason you're arguing it is OP just because it has 2 attack, that's quite silly in my opinion. First off, why would you want to enchant a sword? It isn't really beneficial to your opponent quanta wise if they deflag it or steal it (due to its cheap cost), and you'd need at least 2 Stolas for it to be enchanted. 2 Stolas = 2 cards for only 4 damage. There are plenty of cards who are much more efficient than that. One PA+one frog = 2 cards, enchanted sword, AND 5 damage. You are clearly not using immolation to its fullest, and 8 + 2 cards for 4atk and EA of a sword is not that powerful at all.

[OldTrees]

the version upgrad,  I'm sure is out of balance,

Our resident aged perennial woody plant has reasoned it is not too unbalanced or anything. I'd like to hear your ideas why it is unbalanced, any deck examples involving this that are OP, and any feedback/suggestions you have to make it not out of balance then.

I generally use immolation to put dragons, now I can put + 2 of these creatures in one turn.
19 damage and more protection. (protection because they use the same long sword,will already protected), now 25 damages

I think you will find Immolation prefers lots of cheap but high attack creatures over Stolas.  Would you play 1 Graboid or 1 Stolas in a Immolation deck? Lycanthrope or Stolas?

I am referring to monored

I was referring to Immolation
You can use the extra quanta as 11 or as 1 quanta of each non fire. The efficient way is to treat it as 1 quanta of each non fire. (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,17173.0.html My Balls can go BOOOOM!! > Fire Lava Destroyer Rush Ver. 2)

[furballdn]

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[Zaealix]

My question is this: Where's the name from?
Otherwise, an interesting card, could make an interesting addition to this game.

[furballdn]

My question is this: Where's the name from?
Otherwise, an interesting card, could make an interesting addition to this game.

Stolas is a Great Prince of Hell, commands twenty-six legions of demons, and teaches astronomy and the knowledge of poisonous plants, herbs and precious stones. He is also known as Stolos and Solas. He is depicted as either being a crowned owl with long legs, a raven, or a man.

Tried to come up with the idea of some kind of aged or wise bird with large wings. Fell upon the idea of an owl, and the owl was the shape that Stolas took. Very awesome name, so why not?

[dragonsdemesne]

I definitely like the idea, and the art is pretty cool, too.  Don't give up on this card; it's a pretty cool concept.

I'm a little nervous about the 'other' cost, though; you could put this in, say, monolight and protect all your sancs with nothing but a couple RoLs in play.  The other thing that worries me a bit is the high 6 hp, which puts it out of range of most removal, making it fairly hard to work around.  There are a few ways around it, like killing everything else (but then, why couldn't you kill Stolas?) or rewinding it, and there are, of course, still ways to kill it without spending two cards, but there aren't too many.

I think the card probably needs a small nerf.  I mentioned having it protect 1 card for every TWO airborne creatures in chat, but furball felt that would ruin it, and that is probably overkill.  Another possible nerf could be not to count itself as one of the airborne creatures, i.e. protect 1 card for every other airborne creature you have in play.  The idea I like the most, though, is to make the 'other' cost on the upped version more than 4, maybe like 6 or 7.  That way, you can still use it in any deck you want, but you gain a clear advantage for using it in an air deck, in addition to the many airborne creatures air has.  (though some elements like light and fire have nearly as many)

[OdinVanguard]

spiders will certainly become more popular.

[Annele]

I definitely like the idea, and the art is pretty cool, too.  Don't give up on this card; it's a pretty cool concept.

I'm a little nervous about the 'other' cost, though; you could put this in, say, monolight and protect all your sancs with nothing but a couple RoLs in play.  The other thing that worries me a bit is the high 6 hp, which puts it out of range of most removal, making it fairly hard to work around.  There are a few ways around it, like killing everything else (but then, why couldn't you kill Stolas?) or rewinding it, and there are, of course, still ways to kill it without spending two cards, but there aren't too many.

I think the card probably needs a small nerf.  I mentioned having it protect 1 card for every TWO airborne creatures in chat, but furball felt that would ruin it, and that is probably overkill.  Another possible nerf could be not to count itself as one of the airborne creatures, i.e. protect 1 card for every other airborne creature you have in play.  The idea I like the most, though, is to make the 'other' cost on the upped version more than 4, maybe like 6 or 7.  That way, you can still use it in any deck you want, but you gain a clear advantage for using it in an air deck, in addition to the many airborne creatures air has.  (though some elements like light and fire have nearly as many)

I agree with this. Maybe making it 4 | 5 and not count itself as an airbourne?
Or maybe wingbeat could be removed if webbed.

[dragonsdemesne]

I agree with this. Maybe making it 4 | 5 and not count itself as an airbourne?
Or maybe wingbeat could be removed if webbed.

Well, wingbeat would already be indirectly removed if webbed.  You might still have wingbeat, but if everything gets webbed, it's worthless.  I actually like this idea a little more now, because it indirectly makes web slightly more useful :p

[furballdn]

I don't really want to make the upped cost 5 , since that would make it worse in a mono air deck. Upped cards should never be worse than their unupped counterparts in most settings (shush druidic staff!)

The 4 :other cost means it's not that cheap to play in nonrainbow decks, and even in rainbow decks, there are better options available. 6HP is about 2 CC cards worth. 2 CC cards to act as anti-anti-PC sounds fine to me. There's plenty of ways to deal with this even without direct damage. Lobo'ing it, webbing it, mutating it, etc. It's meant as a defensive card, so it has the weaknesses of all defensive cards, the speed. It'll take some time to set up Stolas and enough flying creatures to act as a full field enchant for yourself, but what then? Do you have the offense or the stall capabilities to beat your opponent before you're outrushed by your opponent? If you play a mono light deck, and wanted to protect all your sancts, you'd need 9 airborne creatures (pillar, pend, sanct1-2, shield if you choose to use one, sanct 3-6). All in all, that's a huge amount of card space you'd be using just to protect your sancts.

And yes, this does buff spiders a bit. Web does need to be more used.

I am still not convinced that this card needs nerfing, but if it does, an idea I've thought up of is, the first Stolas does not count as a protector (hey, the tactician is the lazy one).

[OldTrees]

If a nerf does happen to be needed (Which I am currently unconvinced) Then reduce the attack to 1 and reduce the cost to 3 |3 .