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Re: Psi | Psi https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42439.msg529927#msg529927
« Reply #48 on: August 07, 2012, 01:27:37 am »
No, Sacrifice in EtG is strictly limited to your side.  See Immoaltion | Cremation.

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Re: Psi | Psi https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42439.msg529929#msg529929
« Reply #49 on: August 07, 2012, 01:30:48 am »
No, Sacrifice in EtG is strictly limited to your side.  See Immoaltion | Cremation.

Is does not mean must be. Imagine a card like immo that could target an opponent's creature and give the opponent the quanta.
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Re: Psi | Psi https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42439.msg529933#msg529933
« Reply #50 on: August 07, 2012, 01:35:33 am »
True... but for purposes of clarity, Immolation is the point of reference since it is already in the game and is pretty well known.

Since immolate states "Sacrifice a creature" and only allows the owner's creatures as targets, it stands to reason that this would hold elsewhere unless stated otherwise.

Thus, if a "sacrifice"  effect could apply to the enemy, it would have to explicitly state that on the card. Otherwise owner only targeting would be assumed.

Mainly I suggested this reward so there would be more room to fully describe the effect on the card. That gave a little more room to describe other facets that needed a little more explanation.
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Re: Psi | Psi https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42439.msg529935#msg529935
« Reply #51 on: August 07, 2012, 01:37:20 am »
A sacrifice is something that harms you in some way, or requires that you do something unpleasant... You may sacrifice some game time to get more work time, for example. This is why the word Sacrifice means the creature must be yours. This is also why Shard of Sacrifice couldn't be about the enemy's HP.

There is another word for when you can make any creature disappear ("any" as in, yours or the enemy's), and that word is "kill". See Maxwell's Demon.

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Re: Psi | Psi https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42439.msg529937#msg529937
« Reply #52 on: August 07, 2012, 01:41:01 am »
No, Sacrifice in EtG is strictly limited to your side.  See Immoaltion | Cremation.

Is does not mean must be. Imagine a card like immo that could target an opponent's creature and give the opponent the quanta.

As Odin points out, for the time being, that is what Sacrifice currently entails. 

A sacrifice is something that harms you in some way, or requires that you do something unpleasant... You may sacrifice some game time to get more work time, for example. This is why the word Sacrifice means the creature must be yours. This is also why Shard of Sacrifice couldn't be about the enemy's HP.

There is another word for when you can make any creature disappear ("any" as in, yours or the enemy's), and that word is "kill". See Maxwell's Demon.

Yes, Sacrifice denots something in your possession being taken, not another's.  For those who can, I deter to YuGiOh mechanics.  You cannot sacrifice a creature on your opponent's side.  But this is a different game and has less impact.

That [Kill] is viable as well, but that in itself requires denoting the side of the field.

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Re: Psi | Psi https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42439.msg529938#msg529938
« Reply #53 on: August 07, 2012, 01:41:26 am »
Oh yeah.....what's wrong with me today lol?

sacrifice in Latin is sacrificium from sacer(holy) and facere(to do). So it literally means "to make holy".
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Re: Psi | Psi https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42439.msg529939#msg529939
« Reply #54 on: August 07, 2012, 01:44:40 am »
Yay, Latin...

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Re: Psi | Psi https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42439.msg529950#msg529950
« Reply #55 on: August 07, 2012, 02:09:40 am »
The wording on the card seems a little confusing to me, but I think I get the idea now after reading other posts here.

Maybe try rewording it to something like: "Sacrifice an aether creatures. Enemy creatures take damage equal to the sacrificed creature's cost +2."
That would be a little more clear.
You don't need to use "sacrifice one of your..." since sacrifice mechanic implies that the target is a creature you own automatically (it saves a bit of precious text space on the card that way)

The concept is interesting though. It gives aether some very ugly CC potential. I'm surprised it hasn't been done yet.

The artwork is very cool by the way.

Sacrifice an......This means that I can sacrifice your aether creature assuming you're my opponent. This is why it has to be sacrifice one of your.....
Sacrifice implies you possess the thing being sacrificed. This is because the "you control" is implied.
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« Reply #56 on: August 16, 2012, 05:13:21 am »
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