Phoenix Ember | Phoenix Flame

[nerd1]

I would assume that an ash turns into a phoenix (or you need a new card instead of the 'ash')

I read the discussion and I'm not totally sure which one it is of the two:

• An unupgraded phoenix flame has 30% chance to generate an unupgraded ash when a creature is killed. An upgraded phoenix flame has 50% chance to generate an upgraded ash when a creature is killed OR
• When an unupgraded creature is killed phoenix flame (unupped or upped) has a certain chance (30% or 50%) to generate an unupgraded ash. When an upgraded creature is killed, phoenix flame has a certain chance to generate an upgraded ash./li]
  

hmmm....I need to edit the notes, but I am going to say that if it was an unupgraded creature, you get an unupraded ash, and if it was an upped creature, you get an upped ash.
Both ideas are decent and reasonable, but which one?

[GG]

Should mention whether the ashes are upped or not.

To balance it properly, the upgraded one needs a lot higher probability or a lower cost... Unupped phoenix deals almost twice as much damage as the upped, so the probability should be at least like 60% imo.

[nerd1]

Should mention whether the ashes are upped or not.

To balance it properly, the upgraded one needs a lot higher probability or a lower cost... Unupped phoenix deals almost twice as much damage as the upped, so the probability should be at least like 60% imo.

actually, think of it as a balancing factor, if you have upped ones on the feild, then you have a high chance of getting a phoenix, or even multiple phoenixes, but each one wont deal as much damage, although it would be easier to fractal the upped phoenixes.

[rowcla]

Again, wouldnt a pheonix dieing allow you to create 2 ashes with this? this seems like an OP combo with other stuff

Any got an arguement against me this time?

[nerd1]

Again, wouldnt a pheonix dieing allow you to create 2 ashes with this? this seems like an OP combo with other stuff

Any got an arguement against me this time?

theoretically, yes, but that's the point of the card; to create ashes, and unless you have multiples of the card, it may not make the ash, so other than lowering the % chance to get something, I think it's fairly balanced.

[rowcla]

so in other words, otuygh+two of these gives me two ash every turn, seems a bit unfair, especially with various more combos...

[oblivion1212]

so in other words, otuygh+two of these gives me two ash every turn, seems a bit unfair, especially with various more combos...

moreso, a couple of these + thunderstorms/RoFs vs certain swarm enemies (FGs :O) = fractal'ed phoenix \m/

is the stackability decided? effect-stacked by adding seems really scary o.o

[rowcla]

so in other words, otuygh+two of these gives me two ash every turn, seems a bit unfair, especially with various more combos...

moreso, a couple of these + thunderstorms/RoFs vs certain swarm enemies (FGs :O) = fractal'ed phoenix \m/

is the stackability decided? effect-stacked by adding seems really scary o.o

ability only triggers when your creature die, not your opponents

[oblivion1212]

so in other words, otuygh+two of these gives me two ash every turn, seems a bit unfair, especially with various more combos...

moreso, a couple of these + thunderstorms/RoFs vs certain swarm enemies (FGs :O) = fractal'ed phoenix \m/

is the stackability decided? effect-stacked by adding seems really scary o.o

ability only triggers when your creature die, not your opponents

ohhh.. didn't notice that..
 
thanks