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Morphing Clay | Morphing Clay https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19090.msg243204#msg243204
« on: January 08, 2011, 06:07:01 pm »
NAME:
Morphing Clay
ELEMENT:
Entropy and Aether
COST:
:entropy or  :aether
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
2 | 2
TEXT:
2 :aether or  :entropy : Morphs depending on what quanta you have more of.
NAME:
Morphing Clay
ELEMENT:
Entropy and Aether
COST:
:entropy or  :aether
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
2 | 3
TEXT:
2 :aether or  :entropy : Morphs depending on what quanta you have more of.
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NOTES:
If you have more :aether , you are asked to target a card on the field or your hand. Morphing Clay then becomes the targeted card and the new card goes onto the field/hand depedending on where you selected it. If  :entropy , Morphing Clay will become a random creature or permanent. This card will randomly pick from your  :aether or  :entropy quanta to cast.  A useful card in duos. 
SERIES:
Duality Series http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,19516.0.html
DOMINANT ELEMENT: [/color][/b]
  :entropy (If this card makes it into crucible, please move it to the Entropy Section.)
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NAME:
Morphing Clay
ELEMENT:
Entropy
COST:
:entropy
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
2 | 2
TEXT:
:aether :aether : Morphs depending on what quanta you have more of.
NAME:
Morphing Clay
ELEMENT:
Entropy
COST:
:entropy
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
2 | 3
TEXT:
:aether :aether : Morphs depending on what quanta you have more of.
ART:
rigel770 at http://media.photobucket.com/image/clay/rigel770/P9261769.jpg?o=13
IDEA:
Emeraldtiger (original), Zblader (edited), Oldtrees (suggested alternatives and balancing methods.)
NOTES:
You are asked to target a card on the field or your hand. Morphing Clay then becomes the targeted card and the new card goes onto the field/hand depedending on where you selected it.   However, there is a 25% chance for both versions to cast improved mutation on themselves instead.
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Duality Series http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,19516.0.html
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Re: Morphing Clay | Morphing Clay https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19090.msg243245#msg243245
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2011, 06:35:59 pm »
I like it. I like it a lot.

However,
1)

2 for a random creatures is kinda cheap.

Be sure to consider Fate egg, which costs 3 to summon, and then 1 to activate the next turn. And that requires 1 element.
This one costs 2 and gives you two elements to draw from.

2)

:aether for a more versatile parallel universe, that effects not just creatures, but other cards as well, is also really cheap, considering that parallel universe costs 6 :aether.

It is true that this parallel universe would require a minimum of 2 turns from when you draw it in order to activate it (if I understand correctly), and it is also true that it cannot be used to double the effect of stat gains or mutations (unlike parallel universe), so it needn't be a full 6.



Considering that they are both kinda cheap compared to their counterparts in other elements (or even the same element),
I would propose the following balancing.

Increase both the cost of the card and the cost of the ability by 1, and that would make it completely within the bounds of acceptable differences in powers between cards.


It can get away with being slightly cheaper than its counterparts since it would be most effective in a rainbow or  :entropy/ :aether deck, neither of which is too common.
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Re: Morphing Clay | Morphing Clay https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19090.msg243265#msg243265
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2011, 06:50:03 pm »
is says 4  :aether/ :entropy on the card but 2 in the table. Why?
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Re: Morphing Clay | Morphing Clay https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19090.msg243270#msg243270
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2011, 06:54:55 pm »
maybe to save your time for this series, you can just make to copies of the crad, one aether and one entropy. it's pretty much the same as being able to pay with either. and for the idea. should it not be able to morph into a creature that normally has immortality but doesn't when it morphs?
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Re: Morphing Clay | Morphing Clay https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19090.msg243279#msg243279
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2011, 07:01:47 pm »
I thought our idea was to start as a permanent then morph into another permanent or creature
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Re: Morphing Clay | Morphing Clay https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19090.msg243585#msg243585
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2011, 12:43:02 am »
I thought our idea was to start as a permanent then morph into another permanent or creature
Apologies Tiger, I was looking at Oldtrees's suggestion and made it a creature.  If you want it to be a permanent, I will make a poll.

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:aether for a more versatile parallel universe, that effects not just creatures, but other cards as well, is also really cheap, considering that parallel universe costs 6 :aether.

It is true that this parallel universe would require a minimum of 2 turns from when you draw it in order to activate it (if I understand correctly), and it is also true that it cannot be used to double the effect of stat gains or mutations (unlike parallel universe), so it needn't be a full 6.
This is based off the Graboid mechanic in a sense - a powerful effect that is really a lot more easy to defeat than it looks.  Also this creatue doesn't burrow.


Considering that they are both kinda cheap compared to their counterparts in other elements (or even the same element),
I would propose the following balancing.

Increase both the cost of the card and the cost of the ability by 1, and that would make it completely within the bounds of acceptable differences in powers between cards.


It can get away with being slightly cheaper than its counterparts since it would be most effective in a rainbow or  :entropy/ :aether deck, neither of which is too common.

Oldtrees told me that the card should be superior to it's counterparts due to it's hybridity, but I will put up a poll for that matter as well.

maybe to save your time for this series, you can just make to copies of the crad, one aether and one entropy. it's pretty much the same as being able to pay with either. and for the idea. should it not be able to morph into a creature that normally has immortality but doesn't when it morphs?
The goal of the duality series is to make hybrids between each element that are both tematically fit and balanced, and possibly able to get into the game.


Sorry for the long post guys,  but I felt like I should resolve the questions so that people had some answers and details before they started posting.

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Re: Morphing Clay | Morphing Clay https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19090.msg243659#msg243659
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2011, 02:56:20 am »
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Oldtrees told me that the card should be superior to it's counterparts due to it's hybridity, but I will put up a poll for that matter as well.
To clairify:
Dual Element cards (defined as cards with a casting cost that requires at least 1 quanta of each type) these cards have a more stringent cost than Mono cards and thus should be better than an equally expensive Mono card.

Hybrid cards (defined as cards with a casting cost that can use multiple types of quanta) these cards have a less stringent cost than Mono cards and thus should be worse than an equally expensive Mono card.
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Re: Morphing Clay | Morphing Clay https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19090.msg244178#msg244178
« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2011, 10:26:59 pm »
As I said in a previous post, I love the idea of duality cards. Impressive and very well balanced.

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Re: Morphing Clay | Morphing Clay https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19090.msg244924#msg244924
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2011, 04:36:57 am »
How many of this series are out?
 :entropy :aether
 :entropy :gravity
what else?
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Re: Morphing Clay | Morphing Clay https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19090.msg244932#msg244932
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2011, 04:49:24 am »
Name in table says chaos lightning for uped card, other than that id say its redy for crucible?
What crucible would this go to?
Im guessing its randomized if u have same amount of quanta on both right?

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Re: Morphing Clay | Morphing Clay https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19090.msg245014#msg245014
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2011, 08:42:45 am »
DOMINANT ELEMENT: :entropy (If this card makes it into crucible, please move it to the Entropy Section.)

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Re: Morphing Clay | Morphing Clay https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19090.msg251903#msg251903
« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2011, 02:55:25 pm »

Do you realise the Database can't handle multielement costs and that a cost cannot be pre-determined in your hand.
Zanz has said this before and he said he won't ever change it so this idea is going nowhere as is.

How about making it an entropy card and if you have arequired amount of aether it does a special variant effect?


 

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