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Re: Kagero | Kagero https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30655.msg413702#msg413702
« Reply #24 on: October 21, 2011, 11:48:19 am »
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Re: Kagero | Kagero https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30655.msg433567#msg433567
« Reply #25 on: December 02, 2011, 12:07:51 am »
Seems like the amount of damage it deals is a bit too much.

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Re: Kagero | Kagero https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30655.msg433569#msg433569
« Reply #26 on: December 02, 2011, 12:09:11 am »
Seems like the amount of damage it deals is a bit too much.
Why? Compared to how often it breaks? Think of Fog Shield; it breaks as much as creatures miss.
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Re: Kagero | Kagero https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30655.msg433574#msg433574
« Reply #27 on: December 02, 2011, 12:13:40 am »
Hmm, I just noticed the non-upgraded Broken Kagero image has the upgraded border. Please fix that.

This only deals an average 5-6 or so damage a turn. I think either the damage should be increased or the chance to break lowered.
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Re: Kagero | Kagero https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30655.msg433576#msg433576
« Reply #28 on: December 02, 2011, 12:15:39 am »
This only deals an average 5-6 or so damage a turn. I think either the damage should be increased or the chance to break lowered.
What do you suggest rang-wise for both of those options? Which would be better, since both are viable?
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Re: Kagero | Kagero https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30655.msg433580#msg433580
« Reply #29 on: December 02, 2011, 12:19:56 am »
I'd say that, considering the upkeep cost, it should deal an average 9-10 damage per turn. This can be achieved:

a) By giving both weapons 12 damage, unupped 25% chance to break, upped 15% chance to break.
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b) By giving both weapons 25% chance to break, unupped 12 damage, upped 14 damage.

Failing both of those, a cost decrease to 2 :earth would be good.
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Re: Kagero | Kagero https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30655.msg433582#msg433582
« Reply #30 on: December 02, 2011, 12:23:09 am »
Image fixed. I'll wait to see what others think. I myself favor lowering the chance to break more than raising the damage.
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Re: Kagero | Kagero https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30655.msg433583#msg433583
« Reply #31 on: December 02, 2011, 12:26:30 am »
Here's a potential idea: what if, when targeted by a destroy effect, it broke instead of being destroyed? Then it may even be balanced as it is (though I still think the chance to break should be lowered, to, say, 25% for both).
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Re: Kagero | Kagero https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30655.msg433607#msg433607
« Reply #32 on: December 02, 2011, 01:20:59 am »
Here's a potential idea: what if, when targeted by a destroy effect, it broke instead of being destroyed? Then it may even be balanced as it is (though I still think the chance to break should be lowered, to, say, 25% for both).
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Re: Kagero | Kagero https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30655.msg434054#msg434054
« Reply #33 on: December 02, 2011, 10:28:24 pm »
Here's a potential idea: what if, when targeted by a destroy effect, it broke instead of being destroyed? Then it may even be balanced as it is (though I still think the chance to break should be lowered, to, say, 25% for both).
Wonderful idea. This would also give the strength theme that fits earth, like OldTrees said some time ago:
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Re: Kagero | Kagero https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30655.msg452826#msg452826
« Reply #34 on: January 26, 2012, 01:47:37 am »
Just curious: How will it work with Skull Shield? 40%+12.5%? or the two calculations happen separately?
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Re: Kagero | Kagero https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30655.msg452827#msg452827
« Reply #35 on: January 26, 2012, 01:52:56 am »
Just curious: How will it work with Skull Shield? 40%+12.5%? or the two calculations happen separately?
If flown, hmm, the chance to break happens when it attacks, whether flown or not, and poison also damages when attacking, so I'd say they occur separately.
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