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Re: Kagero | Kagero https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30655.msg389990#msg389990
« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2011, 10:08:45 pm »
I did not expect to see Brittle in Earth. IHMO Earth has a subtheme of Strength. Pulverizer is strong enough to destroy other permanents with the help of  :gravity. Please explain how brittle/fragile/weak fits Earth in your opinion.
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Re: Kagero | Kagero https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30655.msg390025#msg390025
« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2011, 11:38:05 pm »
I did not expect to see Brittle in Earth. IHMO Earth has a subtheme of Strength. Pulverizer is strong enough to destroy other permanents with the help of  :gravity. Please explain how brittle/fragile/weak fits Earth in your opinion.
Earth is only strong in comparison to what is weaker than it. Hence your example of Pulverizer. This works the opposite way also. Consider two axes of the same design. One has a really long handle while the other has a shorter one. The longer one is imbalanced and would be much more likely to break.
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Re: Kagero | Kagero https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30655.msg392272#msg392272
« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2011, 08:08:20 pm »
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Re: Kagero | Kagero https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30655.msg412311#msg412311
« Reply #15 on: October 19, 2011, 03:18:46 am »
Hrm...Thematically, a pickaxe does work as a  :earth weapon...Though as Oldtrees said,  :earth has a subtheme of 'strength' and has protect artifact as one of it's spells. With that in mind, breaking is not something I would expect from Earth. The 'repair' aspect is an interesting twist however, and to a degree, brings it back into the subtheme that protect artifact brings Earth. I like it, if for no other reason then Elements with a 'duo' weapon are somewhat hurt by not having the full benefit of their weapon in monos...
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Re: Kagero | Kagero https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30655.msg412373#msg412373
« Reply #16 on: October 19, 2011, 06:39:22 am »
NOOOOOO! sorry but i hate this as an earth card, why because of http://cardfight.wikia.com/wiki/Kagerō

besides that its kinda cool, maybe a touch boring, i mean its just a heap of damage with 1 earth every few turns to repair it, yawn....
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Re: Kagero | Kagero https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30655.msg412411#msg412411
« Reply #17 on: October 19, 2011, 07:50:14 am »
I like the "broken" mechanic!
I think the easy way to implement this is like Pheonix | Ash.
Make a Broken Kagero card, with the " :earth Repair" ability.
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Re: Kagero | Kagero https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30655.msg412730#msg412730
« Reply #18 on: October 19, 2011, 11:04:16 pm »
NOOOOOO! sorry but i hate this as an earth card, why because of http://cardfight.wikia.com/wiki/Kagerō

besides that its kinda cool, maybe a touch boring, i mean its just a heap of damage with 1 earth every few turns to repair it, yawn....
But it's certainly more exciting than Morning Glory, right?

I like the "broken" mechanic!
I think the easy way to implement this is like Pheonix | Ash.
Make a Broken Kagero card, with the " :earth Repair" ability.
This. Definitely this.
So, to make sure I understand this correctly, you'd like it to start in its 'broken' state?
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Re: Kagero | Kagero https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30655.msg412735#msg412735
« Reply #19 on: October 19, 2011, 11:14:30 pm »
I like the "broken" mechanic!
I think the easy way to implement this is like Pheonix | Ash.
Make a Broken Kagero card, with the " :earth Repair" ability.
This. Definitely this.
So, to make sure I understand this correctly, you'd like it to start in its 'broken' state?
No, you should make a Kagero card that says
Quote from: Kagero
Weapon: Deal 9 damage per turn.
Brittle: 40% chance to break.
and a Broken Kagero card that says
Quote from: Broken Kagero
Weapon: Deal 0 damage per turn.
:earth: Repair Broken Kagero

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Re: Kagero | Kagero https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30655.msg412739#msg412739
« Reply #20 on: October 19, 2011, 11:16:15 pm »
Ah! I understand. I'll add the card image.
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Re: Kagero | Kagero https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30655.msg412777#msg412777
« Reply #21 on: October 20, 2011, 12:26:46 am »
Ah! I understand. I'll add the card image.
Edit: Images are updated.
Thoughts now?
When it's broken, you have to wait 1 turn to restore it, like Phoenix?
I think it would be better if you have to wait, so it would make sense to equip 6 Kagero and replace it instead of repair it if you don't want to wait 1 turn.

Other than that, there are some calculations to do, considering probability of breaking and weighting damage over a certain number of turns.
After that we can tell if the weapon is balanced or not.

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Re: Kagero | Kagero https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30655.msg412790#msg412790
« Reply #22 on: October 20, 2011, 12:42:52 am »
Ah! I understand. I'll add the card image.
Edit: Images are updated.
Thoughts now?
When it's broken, you have to wait 1 turn to restore it, like Phoenix? Yes. I'll check if that's in the notes.
I think it would be better if you have to wait, so it would make sense to equip 6 Kagero and replace it instead of repair it if you don't want to wait 1 turn.

Other than that, there are some calculations to do, considering probability of breaking and weighting damage over a certain number of turns.
After that we can tell if the weapon is balanced or not.
If the weapon is imbalanced according to your calculations, would it be better 'fixed' to change the probablity of breaking or the damage?
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Re: Kagero | Kagero https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30655.msg412963#msg412963
« Reply #23 on: October 20, 2011, 05:54:55 am »
NOOOOOO! sorry but i hate this as an earth card, why because of http://cardfight.wikia.com/wiki/Kagerō

besides that its kinda cool, maybe a touch boring, i mean its just a heap of damage with 1 earth every few turns to repair it, yawn....
But it's certainly more exciting than Morning Glory, right?
I know that, but I dunno whether new cards will do well without something interesting about them, I mean I doubt Morning glory would do well nowdays...

I dunno...
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