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Re: Amethyst Mace | Amethyst Scepter https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36889.msg464081#msg464081
« Reply #24 on: February 24, 2012, 07:57:43 pm »
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:entropy Kaleidoscope: Target creature skill becomes a random element.
It's still a rather unreliable lobo that effect diminishes greatly against rainbows. I believe moomoose's suggestion is much better, IMHO, but go with what you think is right...
like i said, i think setting it to make the quanta costing a set element (either :entropy or :light, for example, making it a buff for you and a potential lobo for the opponent if they are without the particular element chosen) or to the element of the card (if it is less desired to be a psuedo lobo and more desired to be a buff) would make the weapon more usable than its current form.

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Re: Amethyst Mace | Amethyst Scepter https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36889.msg464084#msg464084
« Reply #25 on: February 24, 2012, 08:10:45 pm »
Moomooses suggestion orderes the chaos which would change the default element from  :entropy to  :gravity.
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« Reply #26 on: February 24, 2012, 09:33:40 pm »
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Re: Amethyst Mace | Amethyst Scepter https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36889.msg464142#msg464142
« Reply #27 on: February 24, 2012, 11:13:44 pm »
OT:if entropy is chaos, isnt setting something to entropy chaotic thamtically anyway, or are all :entropy costing cards ordered, meaning all entropy cards should cost gravity?
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Re: Amethyst Mace | Amethyst Scepter https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36889.msg464287#msg464287
« Reply #28 on: February 25, 2012, 08:19:41 am »
OT:if entropy is chaos, isnt setting something to entropy chaotic thamtically anyway, or are all :entropy costing cards ordered, meaning all entropy cards should cost gravity?
Entropy is entropy. Chaos is a subset usually.
Setting something to a set element is reducing the number of elements used for activated abilities. This reduces entropy thus creating order.

1 to many is entropy. Many to 1 is order hence gravity.

So  :rainbow ->  :entropy would be ordering quanta but  :rainbow ->  :gravity would fit the resulting theme of order better through reinforcement.

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Re: Amethyst Mace | Amethyst Scepter https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36889.msg464398#msg464398
« Reply #29 on: February 25, 2012, 06:55:18 pm »
like i said, all cards in the entropy element cost :entropy, that is ordered, should they instead cost :gravity because they are not random costs?  should any time a card changes the cost of another be required to set it to gravity, and nothing else, unless it is completely random, or no, quanta? 

with this card, entropy is relevant, it is the element of change, so changing something to the element of change makes sense to me.
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Re: Amethyst Mace | Amethyst Scepter https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36889.msg464405#msg464405
« Reply #30 on: February 25, 2012, 07:19:40 pm »
like i said, all cards in the entropy element cost :entropy, that is ordered, should they instead cost :gravity because they are not random costs?  should any time a card changes the cost of another be required to set it to gravity, and nothing else, unless it is completely random, or no, quanta? 

with this card, entropy is relevant, it is the element of change, so changing something to the element of change makes sense to me.
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Chaos Seed can create multiple possible outcomes from 1 starting point. (1 to many is Entropy)
Nova can create distributed quanta from 1 card (1 to many is Entropy)
Discord scrambles the opponent's quanta (1 to many is Entropy)
Amethyst Mace | Amethyst Scepter changes all activation costs, 1 by 1, from their respective elements to a set element (many to 1 is Gravity)

If the card set the activation cost to the user's mark that too would be reducing entropy and thus fit a Gravity casting cost.
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Re: Amethyst Mace | Amethyst Scepter https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36889.msg487156#msg487156
« Reply #31 on: April 25, 2012, 10:50:31 am »
I like this
I think maybe the ability change to :Target creature skill becomes a random one.(but element cost is same as the creature)
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« Reply #32 on: April 26, 2012, 12:52:15 pm »
What if i made have Higher chance to become :entropy and a small chance to become  :rainbow but everything else is also a possibility

Would it be too powerful if it also made cost range 1-4?
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Re: Amethyst Mace | Amethyst Scepter https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36889.msg488691#msg488691
« Reply #33 on: April 28, 2012, 01:19:12 am »
What if i made have Higher chance to become :entropy and a small chance to become  :rainbow but everything else is also a possibility

Would it be too powerful if it also made cost range 1-4?
I think it would balance it out from 1-3, 4 being a bit overkill. I like the mechanic though, specially with Entropy as higher chance, I can see its uses in WAR mostly, when bows are not constantly around. also I enjoyed the art :)

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I not sure what %'s would be good, any suggestions?
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Re: Amethyst Mace | Amethyst Scepter https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36889.msg489082#msg489082
« Reply #35 on: April 28, 2012, 06:00:48 pm »
I not sure what %'s would be good, any suggestions?
30% for Entropy.
6.36% for Each other element.
I dont know why, I think it should be around that range, basically 5 times higher chance of it being Entropy than any other element.

 

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