Coalescence | Coalescence / Common Ancestor | Common Ancestor

[Werdbooty]

Cards updated. I'm still uncertain as to the costs, but a nice even "4" all around felt right.

[Drake_XIV]

I'm more intrigued by the tables...

I'd balance it to Boneyard.  Maybe make unupped 3 ?

[Card Making Geek]

[OldTrees]

X= initial number of creatures.
Cost -> Damage

In rainbow
4 -> 2X|3X
8 -> 5X|7X
12 -> 9X|12X

In mono
4 -> X+1|X+2
8 -> 2X+3|2X+5
12 -> 3X+6|3X+9

Mono gets the option of Mitosis so it can pay the casting cost for either Coalescence or Common Ancestor.
Mono usage is weaker than Rainbow usage.
The +1|+1 upgrade helps Rainbow much more than Mono.
The Mono usage is fairly close to balanced if not already.

Conclusion: It would be better if the upgrade was a cost decrease (Which helps mono and rainbow) and if Coalescence cost more than Common Ancestor (So the mono usage could use the cheaper cost for the weaker effect). I might even suggest base stats of 0|0 since they get a minimum of +1|+1 when played via  Coalescence.

With the stat based changes but without the cost based changes
X= initial number of creatures.
Cost -> Damage

In rainbow
4 -> X
8 -> 3X
12 -> 6X

In mono
4 -> X
8 -> 2X+1
12 -> 3X+3

[Werdbooty]

Conclusion: It would be better if the upgrade was a cost decrease (Which helps mono and rainbow) and if Coalescence cost more than Common Ancestor (So the mono usage could use the cheaper cost for the weaker effect). I might even suggest base stats of 0|0 since they get a minimum of +1|+1 when played via  Coalescence.

If I understand you're saying a decrease in cost instead of the extra 1|1 on the upgraded Ancestor. So, perhaps, 5 & 4 for Coalescence (un-upped & upped), and 4 & 3 for the Ancestor (of its own element), provided they begin with base stats of 0|0 (this would imply that, if Coalescence were played and no creatures were on the field, it'd be a waste).

The lowered stats would also pull the reins some when it came to Fractal, I would imagine.

[OldTrees]

Conclusion: It would be better if the upgrade was a cost decrease (Which helps mono and rainbow) and if Coalescence cost more than Common Ancestor (So the mono usage could use the cheaper cost for the weaker effect). I might even suggest base stats of 0|0 since they get a minimum of +1|+1 when played via  Coalescence.

If I understand you're saying a decrease in cost instead of the extra 1|1 on the upgraded Ancestor. So, perhaps, 5 & 4 for Coalescence (un-upped & upped), and 4 & 3 for the Ancestor (of its own element), provided they begin with base stats of 0|0 (this would imply that, if Coalescence were played and no creatures were on the field, it'd be a waste).

The lowered stats would also pull the reins some when it came to Fractal, I would imagine.

Correct on all accounts. If Coalescence were played and no creatures were on the field then it would not be generating any Common Ancestors anyways.

[Werdbooty]

Got around to updating this again. I think it's starting to look good. Any final thoughts before I ship this over to the Crucible?

[blarp]

ignoring everything else, isn't this just good in a life rush? or does it not summon a life type? also i'm thinking about fractals and maligs....

[OldTrees]

ignoring everything else, isn't this just good in a life rush? or does it not summon a life type? also i'm thinking about fractals and maligs....

It is better in rainbow.

[blarp]

ignoring everything else, isn't this just good in a life rush? or does it not summon a life type? also i'm thinking about fractals and maligs....

It is better in rainbow.

yeah I know, but even with a plain old monolife it's good, which is why it seems a little too powerful to me maybe. all depends if you start off with a 1|1 token thing immediately

[OldTrees]

ignoring everything else, isn't this just good in a life rush? or does it not summon a life type? also i'm thinking about fractals and maligs....

It is better in rainbow.

yeah I know, but even with a plain old monolife it's good, which is why it seems a little too powerful to me maybe. all depends if you start off with a 1|1 token thing immediately

If you had 1 and only 1 life creature (say a frog) then it would create a 1|1 CA.

Yes it is good in mono life. It is almost (multiples scale slower) as good in mono life as it is in rainbow. It is almost (twice the creatures, half as big, duo rather than mono) as good in a life duo as it is in a life mono.

Simply adjusting the casting cost would be sufficient to adjust the balance. Why do you think it is too powerful?