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Entanglement | Entanglement https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42723.msg532732#msg532732
« on: August 13, 2012, 10:02:17 pm »
NAME:
Entanglement
ELEMENT:
Entropy
COST:
4 :entropy
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Entangle 2 random creatures.
Effects applied over either creature affect both of them.
NAME:
Entanglement
ELEMENT:
Entropy
COST:
4 :entropy
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Entangle 2 random enemy creatures.
Effects applied over either creature affect both of them.

ART:
Copyright-free image. Modified by Atom_heart. Source http://www.public-domain-image.com/computer-arts-public-domain-images-pictures/3d-computer-graphics-public-domain-images-pictures/night-cristal-3d-work.jpg.html
IDEA:
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NOTES:
The mentioned effects include damage, death, stats changes, adrenaline, momentum, vampire, etc. I can't think of anything you can do to a creature that shouldn't be included in this mechanic.
The spell can entangle creatures in opposing fields. This can be used to prevent CC by putting in danger your rival's creatures too. It can even be used to entangle two rival creatures to affect both of them with a single CC action. The unupgraded spell can entangle creatures on either field. The upgraded spell only affects creatures on the opposite field. Depending on the resulting entenglement, this can be used to affect more enemy creatures with a single counter, buff two creatures in your possesion or to prevent CC from your rival by putting in danger his creatures too.
I think that the outcome of random effects (Chaos seed or mutation, for example) should be the same for entangled creatures, but it can be discussed.
The cost might be off. I hear suggestions! :)

When I came up with this idea I decided to check if there was something similar going around. I found these:

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,27462.0.html
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,20711.0/topicseen.html

Even the name was taken! I know it might look suspicious (to make matters worst, this is my first card!) but I'm being completely honest when I say I didn't know of these two when I came up with the idea.
Nonetheless (after recieving advice from far more experienced members) I decided to upload my card anyway. The main difference from the first one is that mine is a spell and reaches only 2 cards. I believe this tones it down a bit, for IMHO that card is somewhat OP (I'm thinking adrenaline, or even butterfly effect over more than 6 creatures at once...).

Regarding Rutarete's Synergy card (which is really good!), I think my card overlaps a bit with it, but also has some differences. Entanglement gives a little more control over what happens to your creature. If I understand correctly, Synergy "entangles" one creature to all the rest, and it's a one way link. Entanglement works between just two cards, reducing the punishment when, for example, Rain of fire is used, or when another creature on the field gets poisoned, etc. Actually, I can see both cards coexisting!

The source of inspiration for my card was obviously the quantum entanglement effect! ;)

I used a copyright free image and modified the color and size a bit.

I hope you like the card. I'm sorry if my wording isn't good, English is not my mother language. Comments and suggestions will be very appreciated! Thanks in advance for your time.

UPDATE: Cost lowered for both versions. Random entanglement added to avoid double targeting and to improve Entropy flavor. Card text updated. Art source linked in Art field.

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« Last Edit: August 27, 2012, 12:49:22 pm by Atom_heart »

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Re: Entanglement | Entanglement https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42723.msg532743#msg532743
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2012, 10:23:59 pm »
Interesting idea, but double targeting seems to be a Nixed idea by Zanz... There are ways around it, but you'll need to be clever.
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Re: Entanglement | Entanglement https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42723.msg532760#msg532760
« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2012, 11:19:14 pm »
^True dat. It is hard to code multi targeting. But why not lower the cost a bit and make it affect random creatures, after all that is the character of  :entropy itself.
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Re: Entanglement | Entanglement https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42723.msg532763#msg532763
« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2012, 11:37:12 pm »
Even if it is modified, you still need to provide link to the original work in the appropriate section, not in the Notes.

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Re: Entanglement | Entanglement https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42723.msg532977#msg532977
« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2012, 12:10:33 pm »
^True dat. It is hard to code multi targeting. But why not lower the cost a bit and make it affect random creatures, after all that is the character of  :entropy itself.

Well, that could be a possibility. You somewhat lose the "control" that I mentioned, and it becomes more similar to the Synergy card. But it's true, it goes better with  :entropy thematically. It could work 'A la Pandemonium', where the upped card gives more control:
- Unupped: Target two random creatures
- Upped: Target two enemy creatures

Is that targeting mechanic also hard to code, or that's just for handpicked targets?

Even if it is modified, you still need to provide link to the original work in the appropriate section, not in the Notes.

You mean the artwork? I couldn't find the author's credit in the site, so I just linked the source. Should I link that in the Art section?

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Re: Entanglement | Entanglement https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42723.msg532982#msg532982
« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2012, 12:30:36 pm »
I reversed searched the image, and all the sites i find it on say...
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but this is the home site for it http://pddepot.com/
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Re: Entanglement | Entanglement https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42723.msg534118#msg534118
« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2012, 01:00:49 pm »
Card modified. See notes!  :)

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Re: Entanglement | Entanglement https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42723.msg534124#msg534124
« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2012, 01:15:07 pm »
Ahhh.....quantum entanglement. Perhaps you might want to create a new card on teleportation then ;).
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Re: Entanglement | Entanglement https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42723.msg534352#msg534352
« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2012, 11:45:57 pm »
Ahhh.....quantum entanglement. Perhaps you might want to create a new card on teleportation then ;).
Ack! Get out of my head... lol. But seriously... that gives me ideas...
Especially if the "link" mechanic takes off. I recall seeing this same (or similar) concept in several other cards now.
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Re: Entanglement | Entanglement https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42723.msg534370#msg534370
« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2012, 12:57:04 am »
Ahhh.....quantum entanglement. Perhaps you might want to create a new card on teleportation then ;).

I'm considering another entropy card related to Heisenberg's principle... should be interesting!

As usual, I've been beaten to the idea (see link) but mine would be a creature.

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,26829.msg341092.html#msg341092

I hesitate to upload my card 'cause it would be the 2nd card in a row similar to another one... Besides I don't have the appropiate art!

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Re: Entanglement | Entanglement https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42723.msg534379#msg534379
« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2012, 01:20:56 am »
Perhaps Wave mechanics would work?
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Re: Entanglement | Entanglement https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42723.msg534409#msg534409
« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2012, 03:46:30 am »
Perhaps Wave mechanics would work?

Sorry, what do you mean?

 

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