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Chaos Spiral | Chaos Vortex https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47217.msg1046013#msg1046013
« on: February 26, 2013, 07:29:26 pm »
NAME:
Chaos Spiral
ELEMENT:
Entropy
COST:
5 :entropy
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Creatures that take action have a small chance of switching sides.
NAME:
Chaos Vortex
ELEMENT:
Entropy
COST:
6 :entropy
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Creatures that take action have a large chance of switching sides.

ART:
OdinVanguard
IDEA:
Drake_XIV
NOTES:
Today, everything just seems to fall apart.
Someone in you life will eventually leave, so don't become attacked.

Actions are just if an ability activates or if they attack.
Chaos Spiral 5%
Chaos Vortex 8%
Stacks in effect
SERIES:

« Last Edit: February 27, 2013, 08:51:28 am by Drake_XIV »

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Re: Chaos Spiral | Chaos Vortex https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47217.msg1046024#msg1046024
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2013, 08:05:22 pm »
I like the idea.
The % would be interesting now of course.
But even if it was low, this would be a very strong ability. It effectively kills the enemy creature (regardless of its HP or Immateriality) and summons the same creature on your field. Will be very difficult to balance this imo.
Does it stack, btw?

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Re: Chaos Spiral | Chaos Vortex https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47217.msg1046141#msg1046141
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2013, 03:18:16 am »
Umm, much rather a simple increased % versus making it only affect the opponent...
Otherwise it's the whole TU Lightning combo built into a card and restricted with a %.
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Re: Chaos Spiral | Chaos Vortex https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47217.msg1046143#msg1046143
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2013, 03:33:27 am »
SoPa will be fun with the unupped version... Unnecessary for the upped version though.
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Re: Chaos Spiral | Chaos Vortex https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47217.msg1046148#msg1046148
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2013, 03:54:25 am »
And if you want to take a gamble.... SINGULARITIES.

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Re: Chaos Spiral | Chaos Vortex https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47217.msg1046151#msg1046151
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2013, 04:06:18 am »
And if you want to take a gamble.... SINGULARITIES.
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Re: Chaos Spiral | Chaos Vortex https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47217.msg1046155#msg1046155
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2013, 04:17:49 am »
I like the idea.
The % would be interesting now of course.
But even if it was low, this would be a very strong ability. It effectively kills the enemy creature (regardless of its HP or Immateriality) and summons the same creature on your field. Will be very difficult to balance this imo.
Does it stack, btw?

It also effectively kills your creatures and summons the same creatures on your opponent's side.

And read the Notes.

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Re: Chaos Spiral | Chaos Vortex https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47217.msg1046209#msg1046209
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2013, 07:20:13 am »
And read the Notes.

Wasn't written in the notes when I asked.

It also effectively kills your creatures and summons the same creatures on your opponent's side.

As so often with cards that influence both sides, you forget that the player using this knows of the negative impact this card will have on his own creatures and will adjust his deck accordingly.
This simply would never be used in a rush or any other deck with creatures - unless as a fun deck that isn't supposed to be strong - thus the drawback is irrelevant. Unupped, it's clearly a card for stalls only.
And upped, it doesn't even have that drawback anymore.

5% for a stackable chance for an instant kill even for immaterial creatures is ok, 5% for a stackable chance for a PU even on immaterial creatures is ok, 5% for both in one card I find to be too strong.

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Re: Chaos Spiral | Chaos Vortex https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47217.msg1046213#msg1046213
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2013, 07:36:13 am »
Regardless of whether the owner is aware of it, it doesn't keep the creatures that swapped due to Spiral to go back.

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Re: Chaos Spiral | Chaos Vortex https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47217.msg1046215#msg1046215
« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2013, 07:40:22 am »
Regardless of whether the owner is aware of it, it doesn't keep the creatures that swapped due to Spiral to go back.

Doesn't it though? At least for the upped version.

A little pricey in my opinion for something with just a delayed reward.
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Re: Chaos Spiral | Chaos Vortex https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47217.msg1046234#msg1046234
« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2013, 08:26:07 am »
To prevent potential abuse with cards like Singularity.

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Re: Chaos Spiral | Chaos Vortex https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47217.msg1046236#msg1046236
« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2013, 08:45:00 am »
First off, I think you misspelled controlled.

Secondly, I think the upgraded card is too powerful.  It might be ok if it didn't stack, but, with stacking I think it would just dominate games.

Love the artwork.  Definitely deserves a card built for it.

Personally, I think keep the stacking and always have it apply to both sides.   It would be more fun that way, and you could always build your deck to compensate for the drawback.


 

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