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Alligator | Giant Alligator https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18108.msg230744#msg230744
« on: December 22, 2010, 05:02:28 am »
A new take on invisibility

NAME:
Alligator
ELEMENT:
Life
COST:
4 :life
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
2|4
TEXT:
:water: Submerge
Gains Ambush while submerged. Ambushers deal more damage in groups.
NAME:
Giant Alligator
ELEMENT:
Life
COST:
4 :life
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
3|4
TEXT:
:water: Submerge.
Gains Ambush while submerged. Ambushers deal more damage in groups.
ART:
Stock image from Stock.XCHNG (http://www.sxc.hu/)
Page of Image (http://www.sxc.hu/photo/1196857)
Terms of Use (http://www.sxc.hu/txt/license.html)
IDEA:
Werdbooty, OldTrees, Emerald Tiger, Art Crusade, Nepycros, Ajit
NOTES:
Submerge: Creature is invisible until targeted by an AoE.
Ambush
Type: Passive
Effect: This creature's current attack increases by 1 for each successful attack dealt to the opponent by a creature with Ambush. These increases last until the end of the turn.
SERIES:
Ambush! Series (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,18059)
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Re: Alligator | Giant Alligator https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18108.msg231662#msg231662
« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2010, 08:40:41 pm »
No comments?
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Re: Alligator | Giant Alligator https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18108.msg231703#msg231703
« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2010, 09:58:31 pm »
if no major objections are voiced in two days submit these.
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Re: Alligator | Giant Alligator https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18108.msg231918#msg231918
« Reply #3 on: December 24, 2010, 02:30:02 am »
Name change to Crocodile? Elite Crocodile? Alligator? Elite Alligator... maybe?

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Re: Alligator | Giant Alligator https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18108.msg231959#msg231959
« Reply #4 on: December 24, 2010, 03:13:00 am »
I personally like Alligator better.
However, Werdbooty it is your call.
Should it be named Swamp Gator or Alligator?

Regardless please post the image used so I can make cost/stats adjustments faster if needed.
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Re: Alligator | Giant Alligator https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18108.msg231964#msg231964
« Reply #5 on: December 24, 2010, 03:22:22 am »
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Re: Alligator | Giant Alligator https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18108.msg232073#msg232073
« Reply #6 on: December 24, 2010, 07:03:15 am »
I just liked the feel of Swamp Gator. Made it seem more real. If I made any changes I'd probably go with 'Giant' instead of 'Elite.' But if it came down to it, I'd go with Alligator, since that's what I used as base art. Maybe even Bull Alligator? Perhaps a poll is needed.

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Re: Alligator | Giant Alligator https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18108.msg236816#msg236816
« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2010, 04:09:15 am »
CURATOR COMMENT
-Fix the card name or the NAME section of the table so that both of them match
-Could you provide a link to the site where you got that image from? Unless Werdbooty took that photo himself, it'd be nice if I could just find the page of where that image is used, especially if it's from a royalty-free website


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Re: Alligator | Giant Alligator https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18108.msg238752#msg238752
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2011, 04:36:24 pm »
You know, I have a bunch of pics from a trip I took to Florida years ago with several pictures of alligators. I really wish I'd thought of that before trying to hunt this pic down.

I'll see if I can't find the link to the photo.
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Re: Alligator | Giant Alligator https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18108.msg238802#msg238802
« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2011, 05:31:46 pm »
I'm not a big fan of the Ambush! Series however I think this a good card.

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Re: Alligator | Giant Alligator https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18108.msg238805#msg238805
« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2011, 05:34:11 pm »
I'm not a big fan of the Ambush! Series however I think this a good card.
Why? (to both statements) I would like your input so I can improve.
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Re: Alligator | Giant Alligator https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18108.msg238811#msg238811
« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2011, 05:45:07 pm »
I'm not a big fan of the Ambush! Series however I think this a good card.
Why? (to both statements) I would like your input so I can improve.
Because for it to have any use you would have to fractal it THEN use it's ability to get them all into ambush position. It takes a whole turn to move it into ambush position which by then your opponent could have destroyed all your creatures with Duo RoF or Triple Thunderstorm.

Also another weakness to all your cards:

Alligator: Requires 3 elements to make a good Ambush (Aether + Water + Life)
Wyrm: Requires 2 elements to make a good ambush (Aether + Earth) and halving all their attack.
Dimensional Striker: Un-Fractalable.

Those are just a few examples.

Anyway my point is for it to be effective you need to wait a whole turn to use abilities + you need Fractal.

The idea is still brilliant however, but needs improving.

I like this because when submerged it cannot be targeted and it's damage stays the same (unlike burrow) and it strengthens the Water + Life combo.

 

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