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Re: Jamais Vu | Presque Vu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35269.msg444421#msg444421
« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2012, 11:59:43 am »
Everything is slightly OP with Fractal/Nightmare. I don't see this as that OP. Maybe swapping the attack and health would help somewhat as that would discourage people from fractalling this card specifically.

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Re: Jamais Vu | Presque Vu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35269.msg444434#msg444434
« Reply #13 on: January 02, 2012, 01:09:09 pm »
First of all: i totally love your art, Thalas.
Since i saw your Melusine, i loved the polished and dreamy look you give to your drawings!

Back to the card: it's OP with fractal even if it affects both players, since :time can always draw.
Immaterial is the most obvious suggestion, but i think it could work because the creatures are little and with low HP.
I would also suggest a different wording. Instead of
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Amnesia (Sacrifice card)
Prevents both players from drawing a card from their decks next turn.
i  would use
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Amnesia:
Sacrifice Jamais Vu to make both players skip a draw.
the reasons for this wording are:
  • more similar to Virus|Retrovirus, the other creatures with a "sacrifice: do something" ability
  • shorter, so you can eventually add Immaterial or other balancing effects
Another solution could be:
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Amnesia:
Rewind Jamais Vu to make both players skip a draw.
This way you skips 2 draws, and you really need to use draw effects to use it effectively.
I don't know if it's too extreme, though. Maybe immaterial is the best solution.
Your advices are great. However immortality seems out of theme and Amnesia rewind skll would decrease its versatility in decks

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Re: Jamais Vu | Presque Vu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35269.msg444435#msg444435
« Reply #14 on: January 02, 2012, 01:22:59 pm »
Mitosis?
Fractal?
Thats not really drawing a card. So i guess they would work.
Its a card you'd have to see in action before i decided.
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Re: Jamais Vu | Presque Vu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35269.msg444462#msg444462
« Reply #15 on: January 02, 2012, 03:28:53 pm »
Why not have the wording be used to its full effect? Prevents both players from drawing a card on their next turn.
Thus, hourglass and precognition shouldn't work on each player's next turn, which is immediately after the sacrifice for the opponent, and the turn after the sacrifice for the player.
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Re: Jamais Vu | Presque Vu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35269.msg444506#msg444506
« Reply #16 on: January 02, 2012, 06:47:40 pm »
Why not have the wording be used to its full effect? Prevents both players from drawing a card on their next turn.
Thus, hourglass and precognition shouldn't work on each player's next turn, which is immediately after the sacrifice for the opponent, and the turn after the sacrifice for the player.
Then you should say: Prevents both players from drawing cards on their next turn.
Saying "a card" seems to refer only to a single draw, but not subsequent drawing effects.

Not bad, not bad, i see potential in this ability. Now i'm starting to like this creature.

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Re: Jamais Vu | Presque Vu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35269.msg444761#msg444761
« Reply #17 on: January 03, 2012, 01:36:35 pm »
Cost reduced to 2 | 1  :time and hp set to 0

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Re: Jamais Vu | Presque Vu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35269.msg444765#msg444765
« Reply #18 on: January 03, 2012, 01:41:52 pm »
As they are now, they will die before you can sacrifice, since you can't activate an ability the turn the card is put into play

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Re: Jamais Vu | Presque Vu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35269.msg444780#msg444780
« Reply #19 on: January 03, 2012, 02:13:14 pm »
As they are now, they will die before you can sacrifice, since you can't activate an ability the turn the card is put into play
That's intended, now you must buff it before you use it.

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Re: Jamais Vu | Presque Vu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35269.msg444781#msg444781
« Reply #20 on: January 03, 2012, 02:14:49 pm »
As they are now, they will die before you can sacrifice, since you can't activate an ability the turn the card is put into play
That's intended, now you must buff it before you use it.
That makes the card horrible IMO

Re: Jamais Vu | Presque Vu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35269.msg445160#msg445160
« Reply #21 on: January 04, 2012, 10:25:43 am »
I agree, you've broken the card with that change.

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Re: Jamais Vu | Presque Vu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35269.msg528264#msg528264
« Reply #22 on: August 02, 2012, 06:49:37 pm »
This is one of the best :time ideas I've ever seen! +1 goes to the creator from me. Precognition has a powerful ally now! As for abusing it with Fractal or Mitosis, we can just make this creature immortal and either reduce its atk or increase its cost. Personally, I would prefer it as a 1|2 immortal creature with 3 :time quanta cost unupped and 1|2 immortal creature with 2 :time quanta upped (the health buff would be nice in order to avoid instant death from Fire Shield|Fire Buckler).
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