Xenocide|Xenocide

[joebob777]

NAME: Xenocide ELEMENT: Other COST: 6 TYPE: spell ATK|HP: TEXT: Destroy all cards of a random element. Remove all quantum from your mark's type.	NAME: Xenocide ELEMENT: Other COST: 5 TYPE: Spell ATK|HP: ***Insert att|hp (upgraded)*** TEXT: Destroy all cards of a random element. Remove all quantum from your mark's type.

ART: ***Insert artist name*** IDEA: Joebob777 NOTES: ***Insert additional information*** SERIES: Risky Buisiness Series http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,16724.0.html

[joebob777]

Looking for art. PM me if you can help. I am fully ready for 50 million people to yell at me this is op and am ok with it. i saw the card apocolypse (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,17546.0.html) and had a sudden  bulb appear over my head. this is risky cuz it can destroy all of your creatures, all of the opponents, both, a lot of the creatures, or none, and no matter what, you lose all the quantum from your mark's type, there, this is part of my risky buisiness series and it takes a HUGE risk

[Nepycros]

One problem. What if I use an Entropy deck with a mark? That makes this card suddenly so much more viable, and hardly any real loss. 15 random quanta = 5 elemental quanta.

[Ajit]

If anything I'd say this is UP not OP.  I assume it randomly picks one element out of all the elements, not just the ones that are the field.  I mean, if you have a pretty wide variety match, you aren't gonna see but about 6~8 different elements I can't imagine more than that.  And of the lets be nice and say 8 different elements, half of those are only gonna have like 1 card of that element on the field.  So, again, in a WIDE variety of elements match (yall both have rainbow decks with different styles), there is a 1/3 chance that this will not kill anything at the cost of 15 quanta.  Then of the 2/3 chance that it destroys any cards, half of that will result in 1~2 cards being destroyed.

I don't like the numbers.  I mean sure its kind of based on luck depending on how the match goes.  You'd be better off running a mono-deck with this card obviously (which is contradictory to the fact that this card needs quantum towers to be cost efficient), but it is almost useless if the opponent uses a deck that only has 1, 2, or even 3 elements as well.

[joebob777]

good point, just came to mind, so lower cost, might remove the mark effect, and might make it 2-3 random elements, just put up a poll

[Ajit]

Also,

although Xenocide isn't a word, Xenocide is the more traditional, accepted spelling of the word.

[joebob777]

rather pointless, but if more people ask, then i'll change it

[OldTrees]

Current Standard for Instant Kill
Freeze (unupped) + Shockwave (either)
Total converted cost for single target instant kill: 2|1 +1 +2cards = 5|4 elemental quanta +1 card

Current Standard for Single target CC -> Mass CC
(3/5) Lightning|Thunderbolt -> Rain of Fire|Firestorm
1.2|.6  -> 7|5 (about x6 before cost reduction from upgrade)

Combined Instand Kill -> Mass instant kill
Total recommended cost (with decreasing accuracy and precision): 30|28

If anything I'd say this is UP not OP.  I assume it randomly picks one element out of all the elements, not just the ones that are the field.  I mean, if you have a pretty wide variety match, you aren't gonna see but about 6~8 different elements I can't imagine more than that.  And of the lets be nice and say 8 different elements, half of those are only gonna have like 1 card of that element on the field.  So, again, in a WIDE variety of elements match (yall both have rainbow decks with different styles), there is a 1/3 chance that this will not kill anything at the cost of 15 quanta.  Then of the 2/3 chance that it destroys any cards, half of that will result in 1~2 cards being destroyed.

I don't like the numbers.  I mean sure its kind of based on luck depending on how the match goes.  You'd be better off running a mono-deck with this card obviously (which is contradictory to the fact that this card needs quantum towers to be cost efficient), but it is almost useless if the opponent uses a deck that only has 1, 2, or even 3 elements as well.

1/3 chance of no effect [0 quanta value]
1/3 chance of 1-2 instant kills [7.5|6 quanta value]
1/3 chance of mass instant kills [30|28 quanta value]
Total 12.5|11.33

I personally think Ajit overestimated the impact of this card.
I would use this card in a rainbow to reduce chance of devastating backlash. However this means that this card would require a "sacrifice" when played. I estimate this sacrifice as 1-2 creatures (1.5 anti immolations). I also think that the majority of decks either would also be rainbows (hence an equal effect net result: wasted draw) or mono/duo/trios. So On average against non rainbows 10/12 of the time it has no effect and 2/12 it is mass CC.

So vs Decks
12/24 chance vs rainbow [0 net quanta value]
10/24 chance no effect [-1.5 immolation]
2/24 chance Mass instant kill [30|28 quanta value -1.5 immolation]
Total 2.5|2.33 quanta -.75 immolation
Lets call that 2|1.67 elemental quanta

2|1.67 elemental quanta is equivalent to 6|5 random quanta.

Double checking this logic would be wise.

I would prefer Xeno instead of Zeno

[joebob777]

thanks oldtrees, will make changes accordingly, anyone have anythoughts about removing the mark effect or upping ammount of types eliminated

[Ajit]

Perhaps a better solution would be that the card cost varies depending on how many cards it destroys.

If necessary, make it a two-turn combo, first turn play Xenocide as a permanent (costs 3 generic quanta), second turn activate ability that costs X quanta where X is (estimated quanta value of a card)*(amount destroyed)  The element it destroys is still random.

I don't know what the estimated value of a card is, or if there has been such a value estimated yet.

I also have a feeling someone is going to complain about the coding while using this method.