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Shark | Great White Shark https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18952.msg241711#msg241711
« on: January 06, 2011, 05:02:25 pm »
NAME:
Shark
ELEMENT:
Water
COST:
5 :water
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
2|3
TEXT:
:gravity : Devour.
Swallow a smaller creature
(Less HPs) and gain +1/+1
NAME:
Great White Shark
ELEMENT:
Water
COST:
4 :water
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
2|4
TEXT:
:gravity : Devour.
Swallow a smaller creature
(Less HPs) and gain +1/+1
ART:
Grindpower
IDEA:
Grindpower
NOTES:
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Re: Shark | Great White Shark https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18952.msg241745#msg241745
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2011, 06:08:31 pm »
Compare to Otyugh, then increase cost.
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Re: Shark | Great White Shark https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18952.msg241769#msg241769
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2011, 06:32:22 pm »
Feel free to toy with this: Piranha Shark | Giant Piranha Shark (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,18186.msg249536#msg249536).

It's starting to give me a headache.
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Re: Shark | Great White Shark https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18952.msg241797#msg241797
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2011, 07:03:49 pm »
itwould be more interesting if the upgraded had it stats at 2/3 and it gains +2/+0 if it devours a creature.

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Re: Shark | Great White Shark https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18952.msg241884#msg241884
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2011, 09:11:56 pm »
Compare to Otyugh, then increase cost.
I did, but this requires 2 elements making the current cost ok.

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Re: Shark | Great White Shark https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18952.msg241887#msg241887
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2011, 09:17:06 pm »
Compare to Otyugh, then increase cost.
I did, but this requires 2 elements making the current cost ok.
Close but not quite
requiring 2 elements does not give a -2 cost reduction. Only -1.
So final casting cost of 5|4 :water would be balanced.
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Re: Shark | Great White Shark https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18952.msg241892#msg241892
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2011, 09:21:22 pm »
Compare to Otyugh, then increase cost.
I did, but this requires 2 elements making the current cost ok.
Close but not quite
requiring 2 elements does not give a -2 cost reduction. Only -1.
So final casting cost of 5|4 :water would be balanced.
5|4???? GEEZUZ. that would be op. as it starts, it already has some attack, so you should increase the cost.
and i think leaving the cost the same would be good because of the hp increase
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Re: Shark | Great White Shark https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18952.msg241903#msg241903
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2011, 09:31:47 pm »
Compare to Otyugh, then increase cost.
I did, but this requires 2 elements making the current cost ok.
Close but not quite
requiring 2 elements does not give a -2 cost reduction. Only -1.
So final casting cost of 5|4 :water would be balanced.
5|4???? GEEZUZ. that would be op. as it starts, it already has some attack, so you should increase the cost.
and i think leaving the cost the same would be good because of the hp increase
The unupped is a Duo (-1 cost) Otyugh (4 cost) with +2 attack (+2 cost) = 5 cost
The upgrade is a Duo (-1 cost) 4HP Otyugh (5 cost) with +2 attack (+2 cost) and upgraded (-1 or -2 cost) = 4 or 5 cost.
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Re: Shark | Great White Shark https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18952.msg241904#msg241904
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2011, 09:35:02 pm »
Compare to Otyugh, then increase cost.
I did, but this requires 2 elements making the current cost ok.
Close but not quite
requiring 2 elements does not give a -2 cost reduction. Only -1.
So final casting cost of 5|4 :water would be balanced.
5|4???? GEEZUZ. that would be op. as it starts, it already has some attack, so you should increase the cost.
and i think leaving the cost the same would be good because of the hp increase
The unupped is a Duo (-1 cost) Otyugh (4 cost) with +2 attack (+2 cost) = 5 cost
The upgrade is a Duo (-1 cost) 4HP Otyugh (5 cost) with +2 attack (+2 cost) and upgraded (-1 or -2 cost) = 4 or 5 cost.
i really dont think duos should be any cheaper than mono, because that would mean pests should cost 1 :darkness, graboids cost 2 :earth, etc etc.
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Re: Shark | Great White Shark https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18952.msg241912#msg241912
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2011, 09:44:44 pm »
Compare to Otyugh, then increase cost.
I did, but this requires 2 elements making the current cost ok.
Close but not quite
requiring 2 elements does not give a -2 cost reduction. Only -1.
So final casting cost of 5|4 :water would be balanced.
5|4???? GEEZUZ. that would be op. as it starts, it already has some attack, so you should increase the cost.
and i think leaving the cost the same would be good because of the hp increase
The unupped is a Duo (-1 cost) Otyugh (4 cost) with +2 attack (+2 cost) = 5 cost
The upgrade is a Duo (-1 cost) 4HP Otyugh (5 cost) with +2 attack (+2 cost) and upgraded (-1 or -2 cost) = 4 or 5 cost.
i really dont think duos should be any cheaper than mono, because that would mean pests should cost 1 :darkness, graboids cost 2 :earth, etc etc.
I derived the -1 cost reduction of duos from pests and mind flayers (graboid was ignored due to being OP) My theories are based off the stats and costs of the creatures already in the game.
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Re: Shark | Great White Shark https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18952.msg241921#msg241921
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2011, 09:52:24 pm »
Compare to Otyugh, then increase cost.
I did, but this requires 2 elements making the current cost ok.
Close but not quite
requiring 2 elements does not give a -2 cost reduction. Only -1.
So final casting cost of 5|4 :water would be balanced.
5|4???? GEEZUZ. that would be op. as it starts, it already has some attack, so you should increase the cost.
and i think leaving the cost the same would be good because of the hp increase
The unupped is a Duo (-1 cost) Otyugh (4 cost) with +2 attack (+2 cost) = 5 cost
The upgrade is a Duo (-1 cost) 4HP Otyugh (5 cost) with +2 attack (+2 cost) and upgraded (-1 or -2 cost) = 4 or 5 cost.
i really dont think duos should be any cheaper than mono, because that would mean pests should cost 1 :darkness, graboids cost 2 :earth, etc etc.
I derived the -1 cost reduction of duos from pests and mind flayers (graboid was ignored due to being OP) My theories are based off the stats and costs of the creatures already in the game.
how would devourer get a 1 cost reduction, its not like there is an earth card that steals quanta. and comparing weapons and creatures isnt the best idea imo.
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Re: Shark | Great White Shark https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18952.msg241931#msg241931
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2011, 09:59:36 pm »
how would devourer get a 1 cost reduction, its not like there is an earth card that steals quanta. and comparing weapons and creatures isnt the best idea imo.
I compared its quanta generation against the other quanta generating creatures.
For full details on my theoretical breakdown of the creature costs please look and dissect this (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,16655.0.html)
I look foreward to your insights.
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