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Shadow Demon | Shadow Fiend https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28028.msg357624#msg357624
« on: June 28, 2011, 01:31:36 am »
NAME:
Shadow Demon
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
7 :darkness
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
4|3
TEXT:
Attacks twice per turn when cloaked.
 :darkness :darkness: Cloak the target from both players for 3 turns.
NAME:
Shadow Fiend
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
7 :darkness
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
4|4
TEXT:
Attacks twice per turn when cloaked.
 :darkness :darkness: Cloak the target from both players for 3 turns.
ART:
Bloodshadow
IDEA:
Bloodshadow, partially inspired by maverixk
NOTES:
Creatures and permanents cloaked by Shadow Demon cannot be seen by either player. This can work both like lobo and immaterial. Cloak can be removed as usual.

If you use the ability on itself, then you can't use its ability for 3 turns since you can't see it.

This card also attacks twice under the normal Cloak. Cloaking it twice does not make it attack four times.

The "attack twice when cloaked" ability is passive. It is also airborne.
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Re: Shadow Demon | Shadow Fiend https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28028.msg357625#msg357625
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2011, 01:36:51 am »
Wow, I like what you did with it. I would probably lower the upped to 6 just because the ability cost is 2.
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Re: Shadow Demon | Shadow Fiend https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28028.msg357629#msg357629
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2011, 01:57:02 am »
For a creature that won't be targetable (except by AoEs) much of the time, having the normal => upgrade change be solely +0|+1 is not worthwhile.  Maybe instead you could leave the 'attacks twice' on the upped, and have the unupped be 'Gains +3|+0 when cloaked.'

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Re: Shadow Demon | Shadow Fiend https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28028.msg358316#msg358316
« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2011, 04:35:08 pm »
+1 hp doesn't seem to me like a good upgrade. It should get something more thana just +1 hp IMO
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Re: Shadow Demon | Shadow Fiend https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28028.msg358440#msg358440
« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2011, 09:33:11 pm »
+1 hp doesn't seem to me like a good upgrade. It should get something more thana just +1 hp IMO
I added that one HP to allow it to survive Rain of Fire. Perhaps a cost reduction as well?
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Re: Shadow Demon | Shadow Fiend https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28028.msg358451#msg358451
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2011, 09:53:09 pm »
+1 hp doesn't seem to me like a good upgrade. It should get something more thana just +1 hp IMO
I added that one HP to allow it to survive Rain of Fire. Perhaps a cost reduction as well?
That would fit.
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Re: Shadow Demon | Shadow Fiend https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28028.msg358465#msg358465
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2011, 10:22:14 pm »
Reminds me a whole lot of my Sylph (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,21608.0.html). A little too much...

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Re: Shadow Demon | Shadow Fiend https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28028.msg358532#msg358532
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2011, 02:29:52 am »
Reminds me a whole lot of my Sylph (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,21608.0.html). A little too much...
Not at all, my friend. Not at all. Shadow Demon is intended to be used quite differently compared to your Sylph. Your creature is entirely intended to protect other creatures. Mine, however, can be used in a couple of offensive ways. First, there's the obvious use of cloaking itself and dealing high damage. Second, since the target cloaked by Shadow Demon is invisible to both players, it is effectively a lobo for 3 turns. On the downside, you cannot hide your own creature without lobotomizing it for 3 turns. Our cards are similar, but very different at the same time.

For the upgraded version, decrease the cost by 1? Or should I decrease ability cost?
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Re: Shadow Demon | Shadow Fiend https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28028.msg358772#msg358772
« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2011, 04:45:52 pm »
I'd say lower ability cost. For some reason I'm thinking of Lycanthrope | Werewolf.
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Re: Shadow Demon | Shadow Fiend https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28028.msg358776#msg358776
« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2011, 04:50:04 pm »
Our cards are similar, but very different at the same time.
And both cards are countered by The Dolphin's Secret | The Dolphin's Power (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,26063.0.html:))

 

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