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Deep Freeze | Absolute Zero https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50330.msg1086041#msg1086041
« on: July 10, 2013, 09:45:01 pm »
NAME:
Deep Freeze
ELEMENT:
Water
COST:
7 :water
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Target creature is frozen for X turns, where X is its health.
NAME:
Absolute Zero
ELEMENT:
Water
COST:
10 :water
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Target creature is frozen for 20 turns.

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NOTES:
Pretty self explanatory. A spark wouldn't get frozen by unupped, a flying titan would never see the light of day, etc.
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Re: Deep Freeze | Absolute Zero https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50330.msg1086044#msg1086044
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2013, 10:04:34 pm »
I really like this card idea. I think water could definitely improve by having a more potent freeze spell.

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Re: Deep Freeze | Absolute Zero https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50330.msg1086047#msg1086047
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2013, 10:21:24 pm »
Most games are over in 9-12 turns.  Freeze target creature for 20 turns is the same thing as "kill target creature instantly regardless of its stats and occupy its space on the field with a pretty picture of ice."

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Re: Deep Freeze | Absolute Zero https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50330.msg1086048#msg1086048
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2013, 10:27:05 pm »
Well it can be healed faster with Adrenaline. And iirc freeze status is instantly healed if you cast Quintessence on the creature.
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Re: Deep Freeze | Absolute Zero https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50330.msg1086050#msg1086050
« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2013, 10:58:10 pm »
You can still Reverse Time, Gravity Pull, Catapult, Quintessence etc. said frozen creature. And I really wouldn't put this in a rush, so you're probably using a stall, so the game might actually take more than twenty turns.

Also, I think 10 is a fair price for instant kill. Maxwell's Demon + Rage Potion costs 10 :underworld, while killing any unbuffed weakling. While being a duo and two cards, the demon also attacks and is reusable.

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Re: Deep Freeze | Absolute Zero https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50330.msg1086135#msg1086135
« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2013, 11:59:19 am »
I kinda LOL'd at this. I can understand why you would think of such an idea but first off, the game would be over already by the time the creature is unfrozen. Secondly, I wouldn't want to spend that much quanta just to deal with one creature. heck, if I wanted to, I could destroy it with multiple ice bolts at hand for a cost less than this card.
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Re: Deep Freeze | Absolute Zero https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50330.msg1086143#msg1086143
« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2013, 01:06:48 pm »
They play a chimera. "LULZ. *absolute zero*" Yup.

This is mainly a stall card.

Also, you're not supposed to wait for it to thaw out, unless the idiot AI used Deep Freeze on your photon. It's a psuedo-instant kill, except for you can still catapult it, reverse time and replay it, quintessence to remove ice immediately, gravity pull it, I could go on.

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Re: Deep Freeze | Absolute Zero https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50330.msg1086168#msg1086168
« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2013, 01:53:31 pm »
You can instakill anything for  :water :air by casting Congeal + Shockwave. A single card that accomplishes an inferior version of the same effect with only 1 element should probably not cost more than 4-5 total.

Antimatter will remove a creature's attacking ability and turn it into healing, all for only 6 :entropy. Against most threats that's vastly superior to simply freezing it forever.

This is also, to be blunt, a really boring card. It only does one thing and it's not even very unique. Many instant spells have multiple effects to give them a variety of uses: look at Liquid Shadow or Dry Spell. This would be a lot more appealing if it was something other than basic CC in an element that's loaded with basic CC.

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Re: Deep Freeze | Absolute Zero https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50330.msg1086172#msg1086172
« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2013, 01:58:07 pm »
Okay, right, and lightning is interesting and has more than one effect how?

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Re: Deep Freeze | Absolute Zero https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50330.msg1086256#msg1086256
« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2013, 06:32:28 pm »
In terms of fun, Lighting has awe-inspiring art, sound effect and is a unique spell (this is another Freeze). In terms of gameplay, it can target the player. If you pack 6 and run into a creatureless stall, they can still be used to aid OTK or similar (see Bonebolt Fractal Dragon version).

Balance-wise, I would not mind Water getting another CC spell. Does it help the element? Very little.
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Re: Deep Freeze | Absolute Zero https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50330.msg1086422#msg1086422
« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2013, 01:12:12 pm »
Well what if you can use it on your opponent and get twenty extra turns :P

 

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