Ouroboros | Elite Ouroboros

[karis]

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NAME: Ouroboros ELEMENT: Time COST: 3 TYPE: Creature ATK|HP: 4|4 TEXT: Put Ouroboros back in its owner's deck after opponent creature attack succesfully.	NAME: Elite Ouroboros ELEMENT: Time COST: 3 TYPE: Creature ATK|HP: 4|4 TEXT: Put Ouroboros back in its owner's deck when your opponent end turn.

ART: i don't have it now.   have any one can make it for me?  i'm thinking about a snake that eat itself tail like normal ouroboros, but in infinity shaft. (like  ) IDEA: karis NOTES: what about middle cost creature for time? and this is old ouroboros  (http://) (http://) NAME: Ouroboros ELEMENT: Time COST: 3 TYPE: Creature ATK|HP: 4|1 TEXT: Put Ouroboros back in its owner's deck after attack. NAME: Elite Ouroboros ELEMENT: Time COST: 3 TYPE: Creature ATK|HP: 5|2 TEXT: Put Ouroboros back in its owner's deck after attack. ART: i don't have it now.   have any one can make it for me?  i'm thinking about a snake that eat itself tail like normal ouroboros, but in infinity shaft. (like  ) IDEA: karis NOTES: what about middle cost creature for time? SERIES: SERIES:

[Mithcairion]

I'm not a card designer by a long shot, but I found an image that might work for you.  What size would you want the actual image part of the card to be?

[OldTrees]

Nice card idea and well balanced.

However this card is a better antideckout combo than photon-eternity combo.

I would recommend increasing it to 4
5|2  /  7|2

During the mid game it acts like a spark that costs 2 too much.
During the end game it acts like both a rewind and a spark that costs 1 too little.

I recommend changing the hp to be 2 or greater to prevent Fire buckler from interrupting the combo.

[Ekki]

Nice card idea and well balanced.

However this card is a better antideckout combo than photon-eternity combo.

I would recommend increasing it to 4
5|2  /  7|2

During the mid game it acts like a spark that costs 2 too much.
During the end game it acts like both a rewind and a spark that costs 1 too little.

I recommend changing the hp to be 2 or greater to prevent Fire buckler from interrupting the combo.

It's OP and would make deckout something only for non-rainbow decks (duos, trios with time obviously too), and this have already been done Return | Replay (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14899.0.html).

If you read the thread you'll see more reasons for this to be OP

[karis]

@Mithcairion
560*560 maybe...   i'm can't remember card pic size too.   and very thx   

@OldTrees
maybe i'm will change it cost and status.   but keep unupgraded version have 1 hp is good for me, upgraded can't be interrupt  that's very large different isn't it? 

@Krathos
after i read that topic.  um...  what should i say.  i'm still don't sure 'this card are very OP'  cuz i seen only you say 'OP OP OP!'

btw...  i'm don't seen that topic before  thx for show it to me 

and....   antideckout card are really that OP?

[OldTrees]

@karis
I would refrain from having the upgrade be too much of an improvement.


@krathos
Don't forget that Protected Eternity has utility value mid game as well. However I would agree that the setup cost of eternity should be reflected in the cost of this card.


In conclusion
I would recommend increasing it to 6
7|1  /  8|2

Unupped
During the mid game it acts like a spark that costs 2  too much.
During the end game it acts like both a rewind(with Fire Shield interrupt) and a spark that costs 1  too little.
Upped
During the mid game it acts like a ball lightning that costs 3  too much.
During the end game it acts like both a rewind and a ball lightning.

[Ekki]

I say it's OP because with one single card (no combos, 3 to work, no way of stopping it when upped, no matter if the card is in the bottom of your deck, and even with the weapon slot empty) you can stop deck-out forever...

Deck-out isn't just "another rule", is the way to avoid lots of decks stalling until they can run an invincible combo (or at least, it slows them down by putting eternity -sometimes 2-, a PA and a 0-1 cost creature)

I guess there must be a way to balance the card, but right now, it's OP, not by itself, but used in a deck (and there's where they are a problem)

Sorry if I didn't explained myself before, I had little time and lesser will and I thought the link would be enough

I guess only upping the cost to whatever won't be enough or will make the card nearly unuseful, maybe up the cost a bit, and make it return to your deck when killed, or at least reduce the upped one's HP to 1... I dunno

[AnonymousRevival]

Then what's the point of the 1 HP there if you can just return it to your deck?

[karis]

um...   

ok   what about change it to normal creature (have normal hp and at)  and old ability  but will return when youself received dmg (opponent creature attack or something)

[AnonymousRevival]

um...   

ok   what about change it to normal creature (have normal hp and at)  and old ability  but will return when youself received dmg (opponent creature attack or something)

You mean when this card is destroyed?

[Ekki]

Then what's the point of the 1 HP there if you can just return it to your deck?

It can be destroyed by fire shield, just a slight difference...

um...   

ok   what about change it to normal creature (have normal hp and at)  and old ability  but will return when youself received dmg (opponent creature attack or something)

Errr... Nice idea, really creative and unique... Anyways, IDK

[OldTrees]

the old stats with the new ability should be fine maybe even underpowered