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Ghost|Wraith https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23682.msg301953#msg301953
« on: March 31, 2011, 01:16:31 am »
NAME:
Ghost
ELEMENT:
Death
COST:
4  :death
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
0|4
TEXT:
:death :death :death Possess: The Ghost takes control of a target,
 lasts intill the Ghost dies
or changes target.
NAME:
Wraith
ELEMENT:
Death
COST:
5  :death
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
0|6
TEXT:
:death :death :death Possess: The Wraith takes control of a target,
 lasts intill the Wraith dies
or changes target.
ART:
No art yet, I'll get on that.
IDEA:
Izaya, AKA me.
NOTES:
When the Ghost takes control of the target it moves to your side of the
field, you can 'unpossess' the target for no quanta and choose another
monster, you can only possess one monster at a time and if your Ghost
dies the monster will go back to your opponents side of the field.
SERIES:
No series.
Ideas and feedback welcome!  :) Which makes more sense for this, Dark or Death?
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Re: Ghost|Wraith https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23682.msg301955#msg301955
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2011, 01:19:59 am »
I like it.  It seems more darkness-like though..
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Re: Ghost|Wraith https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23682.msg301957#msg301957
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2011, 01:23:35 am »
Oh and I made this a while back.. it may not be what you're looking for, but use if you wish. Please credit.
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Re: Ghost|Wraith https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23682.msg301958#msg301958
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2011, 01:25:13 am »
Why, oh why, are people so convinced that we need creature-stealing cards? Noone has any way to calculate exactly what it means to do so! Don't you realize that you are essentially using twin universe on the card, and insta-killing it? There's no WAY that could be balanced using just 7 :death. I don't like this card.
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Re: Ghost|Wraith https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23682.msg301965#msg301965
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2011, 01:32:19 am »
This is known as a mind control card.

There have been several mind control ideas in the past, and I think they all failed.
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Re: Ghost|Wraith https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23682.msg301970#msg301970
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2011, 01:36:10 am »
Quote from: Nepycros on March 31, 2011, 01:25:13 am
Why, oh why, are people so convinced that we need creature-stealing cards? Noone has any way to calculate exactly what it means to do so! Don't you realize that you are essentially using twin universe on the card, and insta-killing it? There's no WAY that could be balanced using just 7 :death. I don't like this card.
It's not insta killing it, I want to emphasis the point that killing the ghost will return the creature. I don't quite see how it's over powered.
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Re: Ghost|Wraith https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23682.msg301976#msg301976
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2011, 01:39:46 am »
Quote from: MisterMello on March 31, 2011, 01:23:35 am
Oh and I made this a while back.. it may not be what you're looking for, but use if you wish. Please credit.
Thank you, I don't think I'll use it though because I heard some where that there aren't supposed to be humans in Elements. So I'd prefer the image to be much less human looking. Not that it matters, seeing as it's not even in crucible yet.
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Re: Ghost|Wraith https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23682.msg301979#msg301979
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2011, 01:40:53 am »
Quote from: Izaya on March 31, 2011, 01:36:10 am
Quote from: Nepycros on March 31, 2011, 01:25:13 am
Why, oh why, are people so convinced that we need creature-stealing cards? Noone has any way to calculate exactly what it means to do so! Don't you realize that you are essentially using twin universe on the card, and insta-killing it? There's no WAY that could be balanced using just 7 :death. I don't like this card.
It's not insta killing it, I want to emphasis the point that killing the ghost will return the creature. I don't quite see how it's over powered.
It is insta-killing, with the faint chance that the creature will be resummoned. In short, it's more powerful than Antimatter, since not only are you switching the swing of HP from you getting, say, -12, to the enemy getting -12, a swing of 24 HP, but you are ALSO getting the ability of the creature.
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Re: Ghost|Wraith https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23682.msg301982#msg301982
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2011, 01:42:58 am »
Quote from: EmeraldTiger on March 31, 2011, 01:32:19 am
This is known as a mind control card.

There have been several mind control ideas in the past, and I think they all failed.
Really? I looked for some that were similar and couldn't find any. I must not have tried very hard.  :P Thank you for telling me though, I appreciated it.
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Re: Ghost|Wraith https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23682.msg301983#msg301983
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2011, 01:45:35 am »
Quote from: Izaya on March 31, 2011, 01:42:58 am
Quote from: EmeraldTiger on March 31, 2011, 01:32:19 am
This is known as a mind control card.

There have been several mind control ideas in the past, and I think they all failed.
Really? I looked for some that were similar and couldn't find any. I must not have tried very hard.  :P Thank you for telling me though, I appreciated it.
The thing is that there seem to be a few card design rules that you don't want to break.

While Zanz hasn't said so himself it is implied he does not like the concept of Mind Control cards as shown by Parallel Universe.

(Not that it is impossible to make a good card even when the taboo is broken - see TheManuz's Chasm | Abyss (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,22984.0.html))

For this idea, does it make up for trying to implement a "forbidden" concept?

- Card is complicated and hard to counter. (-)
- Costs the same as Parallel Universe (-)
- No attack (+)

I think it would be best to drop this idea and move on to another card. While it is a good attempt, it does not make up well enough for the implementation of the concept.
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Re: Ghost|Wraith https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23682.msg301984#msg301984
« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2011, 01:46:40 am »
Quote from: Nepycros on March 31, 2011, 01:40:53 am
It is insta-killing, with the faint chance that the creature will be resummoned. In short, it's more powerful than Antimatter, since not only are you switching the swing of HP from you getting, say, -12, to the enemy getting -12, a swing of 24 HP, but you are ALSO getting the ability of the creature.
But Antimatter is a swing of 24 hp too, seeing as it would switch from dealing -12 hp to healing +12 hp. And unlike antimatter, you can recover the monster without killing it.
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Re: Ghost|Wraith https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23682.msg301986#msg301986
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