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ZeCook

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Forsaken|Forbidden https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18700.msg238314#msg238314
« on: January 02, 2011, 12:31:50 am »
NAME:
Forsaken
ELEMENT:
Time
COST:
3 :time
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
0|0
TEXT:
Patience : Gets +1/+1 for every turn past in your hand.
NAME:
Forbidden
ELEMENT:
Time
COST:
3 :time
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
1|1
TEXT:
Patience : Gets +2/+2 for every turn past in your hand.
ART:
ZeCook
IDEA:
ZeCook
NOTES:
I hope it will be accepted even if it is a bit different.

Memorystick

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Re: Forsaken|Forbidden https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18700.msg243657#msg243657
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2011, 02:54:59 am »
Hrm... Overall, I like the idea behind this card. My main concern is that the upped version has a large advantage over the unupped- it'd be like having the lava destroyer gain +3|+3 from growth while leaving the lava golem untouched. That said, I think that the upped one is more balanced- so I'd either increase the stats, increase the growth, or decrease the cost. Personally, I would leave the growth untouched- it gives Forbidden an advantage I'd expect to see from an upped card. I don't think lower cost is necessary- you'd want it to remain in your hand for a while, not play it as soon as possible. Therefore, I would increase the stats. Forsaken having higher initial stats than Forbidden makes sense to me, because of the increased growth, so I'd give it either 2|2, to make the two equal after waiting one turn, or 3|3, to make them equal after two turns. From these stats, Forsaken would be 2 :time (from 2 attack) + growth value or 3 :time (from 3 attack) + growth value, while Forbidden would be worth 1 :time (from 1 attack) - 1 :time (from upgrade bonus) + growth value (according to this thread (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,16655.0.html)) The formula says growth is worth a +2 quanta cost, however I feel that Forsaken's growth should be worth +1, due to the fact that it's weaker. Thus, Forsaken would be worth 3 :time (2|2) or 4 :time (3|3), while Forbidden would be worth 2 :time (1|1)

... Well, that's what the formula says. I feel that Forbidden is fine as-is, but Forsaken should be altered as I suggested (probably 2|2 for 3 :time)

joebob777

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Re: Forsaken|Forbidden https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18700.msg243671#msg243671
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2011, 03:08:12 am »
actually, after reading what memorystick said, i think the upped is balanced, where as i thought it was op before, for it to grow, it needs to be in your hand for as long as possible, which is taking a risk, i consider this a last ditch effort or a finisher, maybe even a new type of stall deck,
42 Amythist towers, 6 antimatter, 6 dissapation fields, 6 forbiddens, and mark of time would make a really decent stall

 

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