Community Card Design [Card Posted.]

[TheManuz]

I can think only of a temporary buff: something like  : Target creature gets +3|+0 until end of turn.
The name is easily decided when we know the element.

[Zaealix]

I can think only of a temporary buff: something like  : Target creature gets +3|+0 until end of turn.
The name is easily decided when we know the element.

That sounds like  's dive. Not bad, but a bit boring if you ask me.
Hrm...maybe a triggered quanta drain ability?

[TheManuz]

I can think only of a temporary buff: something like  : Target creature gets +3|+0 until end of turn.
The name is easily decided when we know the element.

That sounds like  's dive. Not bad, but a bit boring if you ask me.
Hrm...maybe a triggered quanta drain ability?

I know it's not very original. This differs from dive because it can give the buff to other creatures, and has a nice synergy with dive.
The other kind of ability i see going well with Swift are one-shot abilities, like Lycanthropy, DejaVu and so on. But i'm not sure what kind of one-shot ability.
I think that a creature with 0 HP and a sacrifice-type ability would be interesting, because will force the player to choose if he wants to attack or if he wants to use the ability. Maybe is this the right direction?

[Zaealix]

A sacrifice ability? Would have to be a very good one, but it's attack power would need to be high, so it's not just 'spell as a creature' Because if the creature side is useless, why not just make it a spell?
Hrm...But since you brought up the sacrifice thing...That sounds mainly , thematically...Hrm.
Ok, for  I like the thought of 'Graft'-sacrifice this creature to give target creature +1/+1.
For  It could be quintessesnce-sacrifice the creature to give target creature 'immortality'
who here would be for making a series of this 'swift' card, with the different ones being for different spells, and doing different things? Or am I getting ahead of myself?

[TheManuz]

A sacrifice ability? Would have to be a very good one, but it's attack power would need to be high, so it's not just 'spell as a creature' Because if the creature side is useless, why not just make it a spell?

Exactly, it have to be a nice one-shot attack, so the player have to decide if it's best to attack or it's best to use the sacrifice ability!
To be more clear, the attack should be balanced with the ability, and both must be balanced with card cost! I guess it's not easy!

Hrm...But since you brought up the sacrifice thing...That sounds mainly , thematically...Hrm.
Ok, for  I like the thought of 'Graft'-sacrifice this creature to give target creature +1/+1.
For  It could be quintessesnce-sacrifice the creature to give target creature 'immortality'

I cannot understand why it sounds  to you, but that's fine, a possibility could be to sacrifice a creature to give a buff, and even immortality could be good!

who here would be for making a series of this 'swift' card, with the different ones being for different spells, and doing different things? Or am I getting ahead of myself?

I like the idea, but i think we must focus on this project for now!!! If this ends well, then we can work on a serie.

Ok, we have some abilities, and i will add others since the poll has  :

: Target creature gains +X|+0 until end of turn (i'm writing this anyway, but it's a bit boring, i know!) sacrifice: Target creature gains +X|+X sacrifice: Grant immortality to target creature   sacrifice: gain  (the quantity should be balanced) sacrifice: target creature gains +X|+0 and airborne sacrifice: target creature double its attack until the end of the turn (very exploitable ability, i think) sacrifice: target creature gains hatch!!!  sacrifice: reverse time on target creature sacrifice: precognition sacrifice: target creature gains momentum sacrifice: target creature gains gravity pull sacrifice: lobotomize target creature sacrifice: target creature gains adrenaline sacrifice: target creature gains mitosis sacrifice: target creature gains devourer sacrifice: steal target permanent sacrifice: create Nightfall | Eclipse sacrifice: create Cloak

Ok, i think there are many possibilities!
As a general rule, these cards should cost more than the corresponding abilities (because otherwise people would stop using the original card, and because we are the player pay for the choice offered by the card) and the creature could have a balanced attack, (preventing Fractal abuse!) considering that anyway it would have 0 HP and would need a buff to stay alive.

[OldTrees]

I think the most valuable design would be if it had a small targeting defensive buff.

Uses:
Play and buff self to aid its survival to buff other creatures
Play and buff 1 other creature before succumbing to CC

Sacrifice or One Use abilities would significantly reduce the versatility potential of Swift.
(Sacrifice+Swift=Spell, One Use+Swift=Modal Casting which One Use abilities already do sufficiently)


Perhaps
: Updraft: Target creature is invisible and gains +1|+0 for 3 turns.

[TheManuz]

I think the most valuable design would be if it had a small targeting defensive buff.

Uses:
Play and buff self to aid its survival to buff other creatures
Play and buff 1 other creature before succumbing to CC

Sacrifice or One Use abilities would significantly reduce the versatility potential of Swift.
(Sacrifice+Swift=Spell, One Use+Swift=Modal Casting which One Use abilities already do sufficiently)

It's right, sacrifice+swift is a spell, but paired with a 0 HP creature gives the player a choice.
I don't know what Modal Casting means, but i think that One Use+Swift could be used to effectively create dual-element creatures. This way you can pay a mono cost to play the creature and then decide if you want to complete the creature with the other element.

A quick example (only to show the dual-element creature concept):
3 Sacred Bird 1|7
: Sacred Flame - Sacred Bird becomes a Phoenix

[OldTrees]

I think the most valuable design would be if it had a small targeting defensive buff.

Uses:
Play and buff self to aid its survival to buff other creatures
Play and buff 1 other creature before succumbing to CC

Sacrifice or One Use abilities would significantly reduce the versatility potential of Swift.
(Sacrifice+Swift=Spell, One Use+Swift=Modal Casting which One Use abilities already do sufficiently)

It's right, sacrifice+swift is a spell, but paired with a 0 HP creature gives the player a choice.
I don't know what Modal Casting means, but i think that One Use+Swift could be used to effectively create dual-element creatures. This way you can pay a mono cost to play the creature and then decide if you want to complete the creature with the other element.

A quick example (only to show the dual-element creature concept):
3 Sacred Bird 1|7
: Sacred Flame - Sacred Bird becomes a Phoenix

One Use Duo creatures (Lycan) are a better design for 2 element creatures. The Swift is not needed and the single use does not take full advantage of the Swift ability.

Likewise a Sacrifice ability would not take full advantage of the Swift ability because it removes the possibility of longterm skill usage and order preference tactics.

An anti CC targeting multiple use ability is probably the best design because it would enable several uses (instead of the limited 2 uses of Sacrifice or One Shot).
 : Haste: Target creature gains Swift is another possible option.

[TheManuz]

Likewise a Sacrifice ability would not take full advantage of the Swift ability because it removes the possibility of longterm skill usage and order preference tactics.

Wait, longterm skill usage has nothing to do with Swift. I mean, after the first turn, the Swift ability is still there but give no benefits... or am i missing something?

An anti CC targeting multiple use ability is probably the best design because it would enable several uses (instead of the limited 2 uses of Sacrifice or One Shot).
 : Haste: Target creature gains Swift is another possible option.

Both of these are interesting abilities. The second one (haste) has the potential to really alter the gameplay. We are used to creatures that attack when they come into play, but not to creature that use abilities when they come into play. Players can drop a couple of haste creatures, use it on another couple of creatures and use them instantly. This will change all the knowledge of the timing we have on this game. Not that this is a bad thing!

[OldTrees]

Likewise a Sacrifice ability would not take full advantage of the Swift ability because it removes the possibility of longterm skill usage and order preference tactics.

Wait, longterm skill usage has nothing to do with Swift. I mean, after the first turn, the Swift ability is still there but give no benefits... or am i missing something?

An anti CC targeting multiple use ability is probably the best design because it would enable several uses (instead of the limited 2 uses of Sacrifice or One Shot).
 : Haste: Target creature gains Swift is another possible option.

Both of these are interesting abilities. The second one (haste) has the potential to really alter the gameplay. We are used to creatures that attack when they come into play, but not to creature that use abilities when they come into play. Players can drop a couple of haste creatures, use it on another couple of creatures and use them instantly. This will change all the knowledge of the timing we have on this game. Not that this is a bad thing!

The interaction between Swift and CC has long term consequences. Part of these consequences are beneficial.

Swift allows a multiple use ability to either:
A) be used once before CC removes it
B) be used to increase its resilience so it might survive the coming CC
This leads to difficult decisions between A and B. One Use and Sacrifice mechanics remove this decision.

[Zaealix]

I think the most valuable design would be if it had a small targeting defensive buff.

Uses:
Play and buff self to aid its survival to buff other creatures
Play and buff 1 other creature before succumbing to CC

Sacrifice or One Use abilities would significantly reduce the versatility potential of Swift.
(Sacrifice+Swift=Spell, One Use+Swift=Modal Casting which One Use abilities already do sufficiently)


Perhaps
: Updraft: Target creature is invisible and gains +1|+0 for 3 turns.

buffing it's self to increase resilliance sounds like a  thing to do.
Though buffing other things to make them work better...Not to much of that, and what buffs are out there are mostly scattered throughout the elements. since  has healing, luciferin, and blessing, I think that  thematically fits the most with buffing to increase power.

[OldTrees]

I think the most valuable design would be if it had a small targeting defensive buff.

Uses:
Play and buff self to aid its survival to buff other creatures
Play and buff 1 other creature before succumbing to CC

Sacrifice or One Use abilities would significantly reduce the versatility potential of Swift.
(Sacrifice+Swift=Spell, One Use+Swift=Modal Casting which One Use abilities already do sufficiently)


Perhaps
: Updraft: Target creature is invisible and gains +1|+0 for 3 turns.

buffing it's self to increase resilliance sounds like a  thing to do.
Though buffing other things to make them work better...Not to much of that, and what buffs are out there are mostly scattered throughout the elements. since  has healing, luciferin, and blessing, I think that  thematically fits the most with buffing to increase power.

It depends on the Buff used (Burrow, Immaterial, ...)
What buffs would be a good idea?

Alternatively Haste+Aether Nymph/Anubis would work as another form of defensive buff.